Monday, August 15, 2016

Politifact Truthfulness Charts for Clinton and Trump

Clinton

Trump

4 comments:

Crude said...

Politifact, selectively choosing which claims to investigate, how to phrase them, and putting a spin on how they're rated means nothing. It reminds me of people recently taking Trump's talk about how Obama and Clinton are founder and cofounder of ISIS and saying 'No, that is completely untrue. It was al-Zaqarwi.' Yeah, no shit. Most human beings understand what was meant there.

Her email shenanigans alone demonstrate her dishonesty. Her Benghazi exploits, which I'll note involved framing a patsy in the US to prosecute and blame. Her TPP support. The list goes on.

But wait, Trump said that Hillary wants to essentially abolish the second amendment, and she hasn't literally said exactly those words, so clearly that's totally false. Because remember: this woman can be taken at her word.

Hey, I've got a followup: Trump claims Hillary will pass TPP if elected. That's false, because she said she's not going to pass it, and that is totally believable and not, in fact, a complete rat-turd of a lie. Obviously.

Victor Reppert said...

Hugh Hewitt, the conservative talk show host, tried to get Trump to back off the statement, and Trump insisted that the statement be taken literally. There is, as you say, an obvious clarification to be made concerning that comment, but Trump didn't accept it.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/isis-donald-trump-stumbles-over-sarcasm

I don't think she would sign TPP, since there is so much political pressure against it.

Of course, the lies differ in heinousness, so your pants could be on fire for some things that are more benign than others, and that is tough to calibrate mathematically.

I do think that Trump's habit of careless statements could get not just a few people killed, but a lot of people. Some unhinged person might, for example, come up with a real "second amendment solution" to a Hillary presidency and use a gun.

I am half expecting a politician to come out and say that political candor is a vice, not a virtue, and that we should vote for him because while he is a liar, at least he is going to be honest about it.

Could such a candidate be elected?





Crude said...

Victor,

Re: sarcasm, that can't be true:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Aug 12
Ratings challenged @CNN reports so seriously that I call President Obama (and Clinton) "the founder" of ISIS, & MVP. THEY DON'T GET SARCASM?

Re: TPP, come on. She was for it. She's been consistently for it. Her support from bankers hinges on her supporting it. She said she's against it momentarily because Bernie's people went ballistic about it. Once she's elected, the concern about the public is gone. What will people do, vote Republican?

I do think that Trump's habit of careless statements could get not just a few people killed, but a lot of people. Some unhinged person might, for example, come up with a real "second amendment solution" to a Hillary presidency and use a gun.

Then you better hope someone starts stomping the left, because Trump's ahead had people try to kill him more than once during this campaign alone. You had a stage rusher on one hand, and on the other someone tried to grab a deputy's gun and kill him.

This before 'getting a few people killed' is literally Clinton's career. Ignore the people who just seem to mysteriously die in connection to her - she helped create ISIS, she's been a hawk time and again. And if you think rhetoric is bad now, wait 2 years. That's not going away based on the election - it will intensify regardless.

IlĂ­on said...

The leftists -- and their willing "liberal" dupes -- have been conducting a Cold Civil War against the American People for longer than most of us have been alive. And, suddenly, "liberals" are just now getting concerned, now that this warfare is more out in the open and appears to be heating up? And we are supposed to take their new-found concern seriously?

I don't think that's gonna happen.