Tuesday, June 14, 2005

An old essay by Jim Lippard

This is an old article by Jim Lippard, whose atheist and pro-Darwinian credentials are impeccable, but who decries the anti-creationist tactics used by a couple of anti-Gish debaters. Regardless of what side you are on, it offers some important lessons about debating your points.


Blue Devil Knight said...

Good stuff. I would never get into a debate with a creationist, as doing it correctly would entail me taking about a month off to prepare. I would much rather engage in a written correspondence debate (like correspondence chess). Debates tend to end up putting the focus on irrelevant factors like charisma, the ability throw out zingers, and the time constraints don't allow for detailed deflation of a bad idea.

That said, despite my efforts to the contrary, this blog seems to uphold principles of virtuous discourse. Unfortunately, reading these blogs has taken too much of my time from research, so I'm going to have to bow out for a while. The main insight that I gained from the blog was that I should be less sure of the conservation of energy argument. I started to think about it from a biophysical perspective (e.g., enzyme function and other well-known energetic processes in nervous systems) and I realized it will take me a long time to do the ideas of Broad (etc.) justice. If I ever do take that time (it is not my area of expertise, which is systems/computational neuroscience (http://science.ethomson.net)) it would be something so involved that I would try to get it published somewhere.

At any rate, so long, and thanks for all the fish! Time to focus on my chess blog.

Jarrod Cochran said...

Very good article. As my uncle Keith Parsons has pointed out to me, there are huge differences in those that go by the name "Creationists" and those who believe that the God of Christianity created the universe. The biggest difference, I believe, is the issue of evolution. Creationists believe that evolution is a false theory and should be disregarded, never to be mentioned of again.
There are Christians who believe that evolution is not only possible but that this theory is quite evident in the world we live in. I happen to be one of them. I believe that God has allowed people, plants, and all creatures to continually adapt to their environments over time.
Why is this such a hard pill for some of my fellow Christians to swallow? This does not mean that God is absent from His creations, this does not mean that we evolved from a monkey. What this does mean is that God, in His infinite wisdom, chose to create us with the ability to adapt and survive in the ever-changing world we live in.
I'm not proposing a debate or wishing to start an argument here with anyone. I just would like to ask that if Pope John Paul II, the most famous conservative Christian of our time, can admit to the overwhelming evidence of evolution, can we as Christians at least start to see science and technology not as an enemy of the faith but rather as a tool for proof in a Creator of the universe?

Edward T. Babinski said...

As you say, Vic, Jim Lippard's atheist and pro-Darwinist credentials are impeccable. But then, so are Lippard's credentials as a former Christian. His testimony is in the book, Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists.

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