Do you think there are no exceptional cases where there is a medical reason to do a gender reassignment.? Granted. I think the trans craze of the early 21st Century will I think be viewed as crazy by future generations, in much the way the eugenics craze of the previous century is now viewed (How could they have thought that?). But does it follow that birth assigments are infallible?
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I asked Google how, "How many genders are there?"
Here was the first one recommended by Google. There are 16.
https://www.womenshealthmag.com/relationships/a36395721/gender-identity-list/
Can you explain how we can be medically reassigned number #8 "Gender-fluid?" Tell me the medical procedure for making you a #11 "Agender?" What parts of our physical body need to be altered to make you #10 "Gender-Expansive?"
I don't need to know with a surgeon's detail, just a layman's understanding how we can get there by medical procedure.
I think the trans craze of the early 21st Century will I think be viewed as crazy by future generations, in much the way the eugenics craze of the previous century is now viewed (How could they have thought that?).
I suppose some members of that silly old Nazi party may have been wondering something similar.
"Maybe we shouldn't be exterminating all those minorities, but also maybe there's something to it after all?" "Anyway the trains run on time now, so I'm fine."
Miller,
The strange thing about Google's number one recommendation does not have "male" and "female" on the list. What is reassigned surgery? Reassigned to what?
16. Two to the two to the two. How binary is that!
Good question. Is crazy continuous or discrete?
David Brightly,
If your birth assignment was Two-Spirit and at 13 years old you discover you’re Gender-Expansive what drugs and surgery will help you be comfortable in your body?
I know I’m sounding like I’m mocking, but I really don’t understand what is going on.
David Duffy,
Many people see the difference between the physical construction of our bodies and the roles we play in society, particularly interpersonal relationships. There are specific physical attributes associated with "male" or "female", but not all trans people want to change to having those physical attributes. For genders like "Nonbinary", there are no particular physical traits associated with them.
I remember when conservatives would say things like "That's not how a man behaves", recognizing that gender is more than the physical protrusions/cavities that a person possesses.
bmiller,
Your craziness is certainly continual, if not continuous.
Is there really a trans "craze?" Or is it just that it's becoming more acceptable and also more of a target, now that homosexuals have receded as a marginalized group that conservatives can fear and be angry about as they move on to the next shiny object...?
“I remember when conservatives would say things like "That's not how a man behaves.”
I am very thankful for conservatives, especially conservative Christians (the guys who take the book of Genesis literally), forming me into how a man should behave. I was out of control in high school, a high school dropout, juvenile hall, you name it. I feel only gratitude for the honorable men who help set my outlook on life. I’m guessing (no one really knows) if I had fallen prey the Left, my life would have been a disaster.
We have no malice toward gender dysphoria. We know the greatest battle is not against society, our battle is against ourselves and our own corrupt inclinations.
Dave,
I’m guessing (no one really knows) if I had fallen prey the Left, my life would have been a disaster.
The Left sees us all as prey now. It's time for honorable men to step forward.
Miller,
The Left preys on the weak and the young. They have no effect on the honorable ane the strong.
I don't understand it either. One idea, popular with the libertarian right, is that we have or can develop the power to remodel the world and ourselves to fit our will. Business opportunities here for all manner of medical interventions. Another, more favoured on the left perhaps, is a sort of Christian heresy, a re-interpretation of the idea of equality before God aligned with a duty to relieve suffering. These two are interesting. Harrington in particular went overboard in her twenties and is now recovering.
David Duffy,
I’m guessing (no one really knows) if I had fallen prey the Left, my life would have been a disaster.
The approach of people on the left might have been different, assuming we're less moral or less inclined to teach morality is bigotry, pure and simple, and beneath a man who claims to be as compassionate as you.
David B.
Thanks for the video. Looks like plenty of people see that there is some cult-like movement taking place.
Happy Easter. May the grace of the living Savior descend upon us all and remain forever.
"beneath a man who claims to be as compassionate as you."
I don't remember ever claiming to be compassionate. At best, I try to understand. If anything, serving people from the church has jaded me. I never claimed the Left doesn't have their own morality. I think they are deeply confused about basic human nature. I think that confusion would have been toxic to me as I was maturing into a man.
He is risen!
I see parallels between then and now.
Typical Leftist tactics. Cite obscure cases, obfuscate and then confound.
Sophistry is their trade.
bmiller,
I believe it is confounding for you, and so, so complicated. I feel pity that the world refuses to be packaged into your neat little boxes.
But hey, keep pushing unpopular policies! I'm sure it will go well for you!
I remembering reading for the first time about "marginalized groups" about 20 years ago. I thought they were writing about child molesters, people who steal from churches, or serial killers. I thought it was good to have marginalized people in a civil society. You throw marginalized people in jail and at least keep your children from them. Then I found out it's a different group of people who just like feeling sorry for themselves and feel "marginalized" (whatever the hell that means) by some mysterious, ghostlike cabal.
I'm sure the Washington Post (couldn't open the link) has all the details of all that hate out there against serial killers and little old ladies who have a slightly different skin tone than David Duke. Like the snake handling Christians from the Appalachian Mountains, the Left has the godlike power to see demons in people.
It's part of the pychosis of the Left.
No one, literally no one, believes this world is just. No one in their right mind thinks anyone else believes the world is just.
How do people come up with these absurd ideas? My only explanation is there is a psychosis on the Left.
Here's what I would say if I had the psychosis of the Right: the only way for people not to be marginalized is for everybody to be at the top, socially, physically, intellectually, financially, etc. See what I mean the Left thinks everybody can be at the absolute top and there's never going to be any marginalization. That's what the Left believes, everybody should be exactly the same and all at the top. Not just the top, but the tip top. everybody exactly equal and all at the tip top, that's what the Left believes. Except I know that's not what the Left believes anymore than the Right believes the world is just. Dumb.
Miller,
What do you say to someone who claims half the population believes in something no one actually believes in? It would be as ludicrous as me claiming the Left believes in leprechauns. What can it be other than psychosis?
Dave,
The majority of the left would say they believe in leprechauns if that is what their tribal leaders told them they need to believe. Many would even half-way convince themselves they actually did believe in them once their leaders point out that sane people object. See? Those evil x-ists disagree, so we must be right.
The feeling on belonging to that group trumps all else and so critical thinking and sources of outside information are the greatest threats. It's a cult that's in the stirring of the Kool-ade stage.
Agreed that no one believes the world is just. That's not what Just World is. Just World is the view that there is a social hierarchy and everyone's position in it is, more or less, the result of their own actions. In other words, that folks at the bottom of the hierarchy are not there because of social injustice or because of the system itself, but because of their own (bad?) choices. And the folks at the top are there because they earned it.
Why do conservatives dislike things like welfare, and high taxes on the rich, and affirmative action? Because these things artificially mess with the hierarchy. Welfare for people who didn't "pull themselves up by their bootstraps" is just a handout. High taxes on the wealthy "punishes them for their success." Affirmative action forces people to pick folks based on their skin color rather than merit.
By contrast, the Left does not believe that everyone can be at the tip top. The Left simply believes that the hierarchy is not as natural as the Right thinks it is, that the wealthy elite have rigged it to keep those at the bottom on the bottom, and themselves at the top. And that this rigged hierarchy needs to be pushed back on a bit. That since the wealthy have rigged the game in their favor, the working class should have some social support to make up for it, and collective bargaining to give them power that can push back.
"That's not what Just World is. Just World is the view that there is a social hierarchy and everyone's position in it is, more or less, the result of their own actions."
Again, no one, at least sane people in the United States, believes this nonsense. There are many contributing factors to a position in the "social hierarchy" (whatever the hell that means): inheratance, good looks, good health, athletic ability, family, social connections one is born with. Everyone knows this. Dumb.
The Right believes that choices have consquences, that sitting around feeling sorry for yourself leads to a crapy life, that people can pull themselves (myself for example) together after a rough start and make a good life, and that concern about "social hierarchy" is mostly childish envy. I don't care where I'm at in the "social hierarchy" and though I've had plenty of misfortures of no fault of my own, I blame myself for the bad choices I made and accept the consequences, sometimes crushing consequences, of my actions. I'm thankful to never to have been poisend by the Left.
I'd rather spend an evening sitting in my backyard by my fishpond with Mrs. Duffy than mingeling in a mansion with those at the top of the "social hiearchy." I've been in some very fine places and have friends that inherated wealth (I inherated nothing and paid for my parents funerals out of my own pocket) and could care a less about whatever hierarchy you envy.
Martin said, 'Some day, transgenders will get full rights like blacks and gays...' This suggests that transgenders (to give them a name) are asking for a right that the majority possess and that they currently lack. This misrepresents the case. They are asking (among other things) for the right to enter the spaces restricted to the opposite sex. We non-transgenders do not have this right. Nor do we want it.
Victor asks, 'But does it follow that birth assig[n]ments are infallible?' It doesn't follow, No. Little of human judgement is infallible---and it is a question of judgement, not decree, contra what 'assignment' might suggest. But human sexual dimorphism is normally readily apparent at birth, and even before birth via ultrasound scans. However, there are genetic disorders that can produce ambiguous genitalia. For example, Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, where the developing baby has a Y chromosome but responds only partially to masculinising hormones. According to an article at the NLM its incidence is 1 in 130,000 births. But I don't think the transgender activists are talking about this.
The just-world hypothesis or just-world fallacy is the cognitive bias that assumes that "people get what they deserve" – that actions will have morally fair and fitting consequences for the actor. I had to look it up.
Thanks DB.
I never heard of it either. Martin should find some real, normal people to talk to. His cult has him thinking all the "outsiders" suffer from some strange hypothesis.
BTW DB.
How does the UK benefit from the war in the Ukraine?
How do we benefit from supporting Ukraine against Russia? We don't. It's all costs as far as I can see. Bit like that business back in 1939. The main benefit was eventually getting rid of Hitler. I suppose it's a polite way of telling Putin we are not too keen on him sending his goons over here to put poison on people's doorknobs. A bit more expensive than a couple of air tickets and a £10 donation to the Salisbury steeple repair fund though.
I didn't hear about the doorknobs. I thought it was poison pellet from an umbrella.
Now I have something else to worry about ;-)
Well remembered! Georgi Markov, 1978. Also Alexander Litvinenko, 2006. Polonium in his tea.
David Brightly,
How do we benefit from supporting Ukraine against Russia? We don't.
1) The resources we are donating are minimal. Almost all of the non-ammunition resources were due to mothballed. We are giving away our junk.
2) If Ukraine falls easily, next are Moldovia, Georgia, etc. If we let him take them unchecked, how long before he invades a NATO member, like Estonia? Then we're at war with Russia.
3) The longer the conflict drags on, the more the atrocities of Russia become well-publicized.
4) Russia is de-stabilizing.
3 nice benefits for some old junk and a few bullets. It's a marvelous investment, even from a strictly inhuman point of view, as you are adopting.
David Duffy,
You throw marginalized people in jail and at least keep your children from them. Then I found out it's a different group of people who just like feeling sorry for themselves and feel "marginalized" (whatever the hell that means) by some mysterious, ghostlike cabal.
1) Marginalized people are thrown in jail at much higher rates than white, male, cishets for similar offenses.
2) No cabal is claimed or necessary. Just the actions of long-dead government bureaucrats and everyday citizens.
David Duffy,
The Right believes that choices have consquences, that sitting around feeling sorry for yourself leads to a crapy life, that people can pull themselves (myself for example) together after a rough start and make a good life, and that concern about "social hierarchy" is mostly childish envy.
This is an excellent example of the "Just World" fallacy.
I'm thankful to never to have been poisend by the Left.
You've been poisoned by the right.
This is an excellent example of the "Just World" fallacy.
I think both your statement here and the quote you responded to are equally valid, in that sometimes it's true and sometimes it ain't. I think the right tends to sweep a lot of suffering under the rug as a product of poor choices, but the left is equally prone to dismissing poor choices in favor of blaming society.
Again, no one, at least sane people in the United States, believes this nonsense. There are many contributing factors to a position in the "social hierarchy" (whatever the hell that means): inheratance, good looks, good health, athletic ability, family, social connections one is born with. Everyone knows this. Dumb.
Of course no one sane believes this, and that's why it's a psychosis of the Right. The Right implicitly believes this, and they are often not even aware of it. It explains much conservative behavior:
* When a person is shot and killed indiscriminately by police, you can almost feel a palpable sense of relief from the Right when that person turns out to have a criminal background. Implication: his shooting was the result of personal choice, not because of a corrupt system. "Shoulda complied!"
* Tax cuts for the wealthy are often ignored or even cheered by the Right, but anytime it is suggested that maybe the poor and working class should be helped as well, for example student loan refunds or food stamps, it's always "hOw aRE wE goNnA pAY FoR iT???!!!" Implication: the wealthy deserve to be rewarded for their success, but the poors don't deserve government handouts for their laziness.
* The Right continues to attack any suggestion that the system itself is corrupt, the most recent example being their transparently ridiculous attacks on critical race theory, a method of examining systemic racism. It's just full blown denial that there is any systemic racism. Implication: people are responsible for their problems, not a corrupt system.
* The Right worships guns while opposing any controls at all of any kind, while people and children get mowed down on a now-monthly basis. Implication: the system cannot help; if people are going to make the choice to mow down others then there is nothing that can be done.
"The Right continues to attack any suggestion that the system itself is corrupt"
Dumb
"I think the right tends to sweep a lot of suffering under the rug"
Nope. Like everyone else we deal with suffering, death, misfortune, injustice, toothaches, getting cheated, lied to, helping people who rip you off, being a racial and political minority on top of the rug.
"This is an excellent example of the "Just World" fallacy."
Glad to be of service
Kevin,
I agree with you.
Kevin,
I think the right tends to sweep a lot of suffering under the rug as a product of poor choices,
I'm curious. Are saying this from an conservative Evangelical perspective that tends toward Calvinism?
Nope, just years of observation and conversation.
Is your community big on charity? Or do they think that's the job of the government?
bmiller,
Why not both private charity and government welfare? Private charity tends to be very unevenly distributed.
Why Free Trade is bad for us
Miller,
Here's my political district:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_21st_congressional_district
Since Mrs Duffy and I are less than 20% of the population, do I get to feel marginalized? Or should I just carry on doing business with clients of a different ethnicity?
David Duffy,
Your feelings are your feelings. How does your marginalization affect your life?
"How does your marginalization affect your life?"
No se’
First, after shoplifting for the fifth time from my local grocery store, the judge gave me an above average sentence for people living in my district. Perhaps, I should have stopped after stealing for the fourth time or maybe it’s pure malice.
Other than that, I don’t know. I meet jerks, get shunned, and get occasional insults like everyone else. I don’t have the Left’s vocabulary to pretend to know people’s inner thoughts. When someone from the ethnic majority treats me unfairly. I usually think:
1. They are having a bad day
2. They just don’t like me because of my personality
3. They are a jerk
There are great mysteries in social interactions. I try to work with a client, but they are loyal to their current vendor. That vendor’s representative is of the same ethnic group and speaks Spanish at a much higher level than I do. What do I make of it?
There could be a thousand reasons: The client and vendor are personal friends. They prefer to do business in Spanish. Their vendor is smarter and more attentive than I am. Their vendor has better pricing and better service. The possibilities are endless. With no way of getting in someone’s head, I just don’t know.
Probably the biggest marginalization is the frequent language barrier. Something I’ve always been working on.
Sorry the first paragraph was meant as a sarcastic reply to an earlier comment. Without sarcasm, I went to Juvenile Hall for DUI, resisting arrest, and drug possession when I was 16. I recommend not riding a motorcycle when loaded. I also foolishly decided to take on two Tulare County Deputies. I don't recommend that either as they didn't mind using a fair amount of force. I got myself a whooping.
David Duffy,
First, after shoplifting for the fifth time from my local grocery store, the judge gave me an above average sentence for people living in my district. Perhaps, I should have stopped after stealing for the fourth time or maybe it’s pure malice.
I'm confused. Was it above average for other five-time shoplifters?
Other than that, I don’t know. I meet jerks, get shunned, and get occasional insults like everyone else.
If it's "like everyone else", how is that marginalizing?
I don’t have the Left’s vocabulary to pretend to know people’s inner thoughts.
The left (there is no organization called "The Left", socapitalization is inappropriate; as a literate person, why would you capitalize the term?) has no such pretense or vocabulary.
When someone from the ethnic majority treats me unfairly. I usually think:
1. They are having a bad day
2. They just don’t like me because of my personality
3. They are a jerk
It sounds as if you are saying you are not marginalized after all. I was curious when you made your comment, because I never felt marginalized when living in primarily black areas.
Probably the biggest marginalization is the frequent language barrier. Something I’ve always been working on.
In addition to mastering the language, it can help to master the culture. People do more business where they are more comfortable.
DaveD,
You asked:
Since Mrs Duffy and I are less than 20% of the population, do I get to feel marginalized?
I answer:
It is just that you are punished. People were enslaved in America and treated badly by people who looked like you. Too bad. Looks like you're getting what you deserve. It's what should happen to you according to Leftists. Some might look at this and think the Left is hypocritical by embracing this type of reasoning while simultaneously claiming that this type of reasoning is evil and indicative of right-wing "Just World" bad-think people. Those people should be made to think differently.
“I'm confused. Was it above average for other five-time shoplifters?”
One of my chemistry professors advised me to go into law after graduation. He thought having a science degree and law degree would make me invaluable to many firms. Thus, I was interested in crime and sentencing for a while (1990’s). I found the evidence supporting mitigating circumstances of the crime far more important than race. As liberal (which I consider good, as opposed to the Left) law schools have become since 1990, I very much doubt racial animus has increased in the last 25 years since I investigated the topic.
“The left (there is no organization called "The Left", socapitalization is inappropriate; as a literate person, why would you capitalize the term?) has no such pretense or vocabulary.”
--left is capitalized when used as a noun (preceded by the definite article) and not capitalized when used as an adjective.
the Left.
The complex of individuals or organized groups advocating liberal reform or revolutionary change in the social, political, or economic order.—-
Grammar and spelling have always been a weakness to me (I know I'm not really that smart--dropped out of highschool) but not on this one.
The vocabulary of the Left is pretending to know motivation and internal thoughts: racism, sexism, xenophobia... I find the vocabulary idiotic.
“in addition to mastering the language, it can help to master the culture.”
I couldn't be self-employed where I live in a service/relationship business if I couldn’t bond with clients humanly, culturally and very often, religiously. As an outsider, I love many aspects of Latin culture and have a fondness for the Roman Church and Latin American Pentecostalism.
“If it's 'like everyone else', how is that marginalizing?”
Sorry, don't understand the question.
Miller,
"People were enslaved in America and treated badly by people who looked like you"
Collective guilt is a very bizarre part of the Left's thinking. Collective guilt has never worked out well in any society. Thankfully the majority population where I live have not gone full insane Left. I'm thinking it has something to do with being Roman or Pentecostal.
If you combine the Left with atheism, we're screwed.
David Duffy,
I found the evidence supporting mitigating circumstances of the crime far more important than race. ..., I very much doubt racial animus has increased in the last 25 years since I investigated the topic.
Investigations with a broader population base have found that black people get arrested more in similar circumstances, get up-charged higher, get less favorable plea deals, face harsher sentences, etc. One popular account of the was "The New Jim Crow".
the Left.
The complex of individuals or organized groups advocating liberal reform or revolutionary change in the social, political, or economic order.—-
There is a complex of individual and organized groups advocating for stage plays and musicals across the country. Do you refer to them as the Theater?
The vocabulary of the Left is pretending to know motivation and internal thoughts: racism, sexism, xenophobia... I find the vocabulary idiotic.
If you think it refers primarily to motivations and internal thoughts, you clearly do not understand it.
“If it's 'like everyone else', how is that marginalizing?”
Sorry, don't understand the question.
People understand when they're being treated with respect and when they're being othered. You asked "..., do I get to feel marginalized?", but your feelings are you own. Do you feel marginalized?
Collective guilt is a very bizarre part of the Left's thinking.
It would be, were it an actual part of the left's thinking.
Collective guilt is a very bizarre part of the Left's thinking.
And believing Fox News's lies about The Left (c) is a bizarre part of The Right's (c) thinking. Nobody I know on The Left (c), including myself, thinks there should be collective guilt.
What do we do about a society where a large media organization constantly lies about half the country, to the point where half the country despises the other half for no reason? Maybe freedom of the press wasn't a good idea after all...?
Yes, we should absolutely shut down MSNBC.
Maybe freedom of the press wasn't a good idea after all...?
Like I said if people disagree with the Left "Those people should be made to think differently."
Like I said if people disagree with the Left "Those people should be made to think differently."
As a part of The Left (c), absolutely not. Rather: if freedom of the press allows the monetization and selling of hate, which is what Fox News has discovered sells VERY well, and this leads to the instability or even possible dissolution of the very nation in which freedom of the press is supposed to be guaranteed, then I wonder if the Founding Fathers would have put some constraints on it. Or even if there are any reasonable constraints. Maybe not.
Martin,
The problem with you is that you don't know what the truth is. While I do.
"The New Jim Crow"
The most discredited social commentary in my lifetime and written with the purpose of collective guilt. As I said, it won't end well if the Left keeps pushing this destructive narrative.
"There is a complex of individual and organized groups advocating for stage plays and musicals across the country. Do you refer to them as the Theater."
I would prefer capitalizing Theater when referring to the people rather than the building I go to watch theater. Just as I would prefer Church being capitalized when referring to the people versus the building I go to. The grammar websites I look up agree with me for the most part. But, again it's one of my weaker areas.
Speaking of theater, "The Band's Visit" was wonderful. I highly recommend it.
I follow the news, I read accusations of racism against people who may just disagree with a particular policy or have a random confrontation. You're right I don't understand the slur, it seems completely idiotic to me to randomly throw out the accusation to hurt people.
"And believing Fox News's lies"
Dumb
David Duffy,
"The New Jim Crow"
The most discredited social commentary in my lifetime and written with the purpose of collective guilt. As I said, it won't end well if the Left keeps pushing this destructive narrative.
Why would you feel guilty about the facts or narrative in "The New Jim Crow"? Why do you think it has been discredited? Is it because the book didn't go far enough?
The grammar websites I look up agree with me for the most part. But, again it's one of my weaker areas.
This was the first link I found. I didn't see any provision for capitalizing a loose association of people.
Speaking of theater, "The Band's Visit" was wonderful. I highly recommend it.
Thank you. I'll keep an eye out for it.
You're right I don't understand the slur, it seems completely idiotic to me to randomly throw out the accusation to hurt people
People can be racist without malice, and social systems can perpetuate racism without any current individual being responsible.
One Brow,
I read your response and give consideration. Thanks.
By the way One Brow, if you have an opportunity to see "The Band's Visit" see it one of those theaters built in the 1920's, it adds to the experience.
I know it's a modern play, but buildings built for theater have a feel about them. It's like (but far lesser) than going to Mass in an ancient Catholic Church.
The building is less than the Church and the Theater is less than than Paramount buildings of the early 20th century.
David Duffy,
I was raised in a city with the Old Cathedral, the New Cathedral, and St. Francis Xavier Church, and I attended services in two of them. I understand exactly what you mean about the charm of the older buildings (my current home was built in the 1880s).
Aside from the dangerous idea, I am fascinated about living in house built in the 1880s. I wonder about the foundation, the wood in the structure, the plaster, the evolution of the kitchen and bathrooms. I could ask about the introduction of electricity and gas (?). I wonder about the people who lived there. All topics of interest to me.
The building certainly has it's quirks. One of the bathrooms is an extension out of the house, possibly an old outhouse that was joined to the structure. Part of the floor has sunk on the east side, forming a room-wide crack and making it so we can't close the door. There is a second stairway to the upper floor, but the top of the stairway has been covered with flooring, so it leads nowhere. There are a few pipes for wastewater from the upstairs bathroom in there. Of course, we have a boiler and radiators. The ceilings are something like 10 or 12 feet up.
Gee. A child rapist is caught and during sentencing changes gender and ends up in women's prison.
Does anyone see anything wrong with that?
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