Saturday, June 16, 2018

Why Opposition to Trump is so intense, or do we all want the same things?

I think that Trump has done a number of things, like implying an equivalency between Klansmen and their opponents at Charlottesville, or trying to undermine investigation of crimes against America by a foreign government, or his buddying up to another foreign government without once mentioning his human rights violations, that make people really concerned about his being President. How do you respond when you really think the President is harming the country.
I am not saying they are right in thinking this,(well, actually I am) but if you think this, how do you respond? Until now, Republicans and Democrats have mostly thought that their respective opponents want the same things, but think that the other party is just going about it in the wrong way. With Trump, I get the sense that he really wants something very different from what a lot of people in America want.


Kevin said...

"How do you respond when you really think the President is harming the country"

That's actually a great question.

To use Obama and Bush as examples, I think many of the actions of their administrations were harmful to the country. To an extreme Tea Party guy, Obama's actions might in some areas be considered outright impeachable. To a Code Pink activist, Bush deserves death.

So to that end, how would an Obama supporter recommend a Tea Party guy react to what they view as actual harm to the country by Obama? Note that this is not a direct comparison to Trump, but rather a demonstration of applying the question VR asked to discover the answer. Telling the Tea Party guy that he's wrong or a racist is not the correct response, so what is?

W.LindsayWheeler said...

I agree with Legion of Topic's point.

I viewed Obama as an existential threat to America.

Obama's mother was a diehard communist. His grandparents (his mother's parents) who raised him were Communist agents. His grandfather was a communist organizer in Kansas. Here is the Communist Roots of Obama

It was Saul Alinsky, a Jewish Radical Communist, that got Obama into Harvard!

Barrack Hussein Obama was a Communist Agent in the White House. He talked MANY MANY times of transforming America.

Yet, Victor Reppert---where is your outrage?

There is NONE.

And so I don't take your post on Trump seriously. It's joke.

Trump IS RESTORING America. I am 100% behind Trump. He is a pure bred patriotic American UNLIKE Obama. We put up with Obama.

You are just mad at Trump because he is against your religion of Utopianism! Against your dogma of More Immigration.

I want peace with North Korea and the removal of the American base in South Korea.

I want all Illegals Deported.

And sit there VR and claim that all the marchers there in Charlottesville were Klansman is just untrue, propaganda---and you call yourself a "Christian"!

Your fellow travellers are attacking the heritage of the South, tearing down their artwork and statues---and then you claim innocence and outrage?

You really are blistering hypocrite. Your commie/liberal friends go around attacking and destroying the heritage of the South---and you have the gall to attack and demean the people protesting the attacks upon their heritage and forefathers!!!!!

And then you cry about America? Really? You are sanctimonious.

Liberalism is the forechild of Communism. That is why Obama is loved and didn't do nothing wrong. But Trump comes in---and he is Hitler. If Trump is Hitler---Obama is Stalin, Trotsky, Lenin, Pol Pot and Mao all wrapped together.

Starhopper said...

"To a Code Pink activist, Bush deserves death."

Not quite. Code Pink is anti-death penalty.

Kevin said...

"Not quite. Code Pink is anti-death penalty."

It was admittedly a rhetorical flourish.

Starhopper said...

I actually met some Code Pink activists last Monday in D.C. They were demonstrating in favor of the Trump-Kim summit. I questioned one about her seeming alliance with Trump on this issue, and she replied that she felt compelled to set aside her loathing for the current president in the interests of peace in Korea.

W.LindsayWheeler said...

Let me explain Trump.

Trump is a Buchananite. Everything Trump is doing, Tax-cuts, Protecting home-grown American industries with Tariffs, Stopping Immigration were all ready promoted, advanced by the traditional Roman Catholic Pat Buchanan. Read the books by Pat Buchanan:

The Great Betrayal: How American Sovereignty and Social Justice Are Being Sacrificed to the Gods of the Global Economy, 1998, ISBN 0-316-11518-5.

A Republic, Not an Empire: Reclaiming America's Destiny, 1999, ISBN 0-89526-272-X.

The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization, New York, NY, USA: St. Martin's Press, 2002, ISBN 0-312-28548-5.

State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America, Thomas Dunne, August 22, 2006, ISBN 0-312-36003-7.

Everything that is in those books, Trump is accomplishing. That is the intellectual heritage of President Trump.

I'm a Buchananite. I never, never voted for George W. Bush. I voted for Pat the first time and wrote him in every single time. And Prior to Trump, I stopped voting in National Elections. I returned to vote for Trump.

Michele Malkin, a Philipino Roman Catholic has written on the same thing regarding the mass migration into America just as Ann Coulter.

Rabbi Harry Wanton, 1939: "Judaism is communism, internationalism, the universal brotherhood of man, the emancipation of the working class and the human society. It is with these spiritual weapons that the Jews will conquer the world and the human race."

That is the true evil in the world.

Victor Reppert said...

Lindsay, I have had enough of your brand of bigotry. Please do not post here again. I don't know how you deal with the fact that even your American Fuhrer has a Jewish daughter and son-in-law, and is a staunch supporter of Israel. For all his faults, thank God Trump doesn't pass muster as an anti-Semite. This kind of thinking leads one place, and it is the Holocaust. Oh, don't tell me. It never happened. Yeah, right.

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Starhopper said...

Thank you, Victor.

I relish a good debate with people who disagree with me, but I do not care to debate with obscenity. There is simply no "upside" to Wheeler. It is all filth, pure and simple.

bmiller said...

Which world leader do you think is the most dangerous to peace and security?

Who agrees that it is the president of the US?

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

Good for You Dr. Reppert. You can zap his posts,I have the kind of blogger wet up and I zap posts of banned people when they try to come on.

There is too much Bull shit to answer,it's clear and present danger.

btw on Metacrock;'s blog moreover less a post about consciousness and reduction to brain function,but someone used that Phil papers survey showing 59% of philospher's of mind agree.

expertise vs climate of opinion

Victor Reppert said...

bmiller: I vote for Putin.

Starhopper said...

Hurrah for those 3% of Republicans who have not drunk the Kool Aid (as per the article linked to in bmiller's last post).

bmiller said...

Regarding Dangerous Leaders:

I wonder why they didn't include Xi?
China is arguably more of a threat than anyone else. 2nd biggest economy, All nuked up, Getting aggressive in the South China Sea, Made in China 2025.

Russia has been in bad shape with the lower oil prices and are only now a little on the upswing.

Starhopper said...

"I wonder why they didn't include Xi?"

It's because China is smart. They know that world conquest doesn't have to be achieved All At Once (the mistake made by Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan). They'll proceed "by little and by little" (phraseology courtesy of St. Paul), and bite off no more than they can chew. The South China Sea today. The Ryukyus tomorrow. Siberia sometime after I am dead.