David Brightly: Science,
science, science! Why is it such a bugbear? Does science have to be diminished
in order to make room for faith?
VR: Not if you make a distinction, as you and I
both do, between science and scientism. The actual doing of science goes on
with no problem without scientism, and the founding fathers of modern science,
and some of the best practicioners today, are religious believers.
Suppose we take
methodological naturalism to be a voluntary constraint on inquiry that rules
out explanation and understanding in terms of persons. Science is then that
body of understanding that eschews personhood as an explanatory factor. So
there can be no science of world war one, say, and hence scientism is ruled
out. Metaphysical naturalism becomes the doctrine that there are no persons
other than the likes of us. Science then neither requires nor implies
metaphysical naturalism, and there is plenty of space within naturalism for
lines of inquiry that lie outside science.
VR: The only thing is that scientific enterprises get funded in
ways that others do not. But we have to
ask what the scientific community is trying to accomplish. The scientific
community can draw the limits of their own inquiry any way they choose. However,
if they put something outside the realm of scientific inquiry, and then make
heavy weather out of the fact that science hasn’t produced evidence for it,
then we have a problem. It’s no insult
to a metal detector that it can’t find a $100 bill you might have left on the
beach.
With this understanding of naturalism isn't it just a bit odd to speak of religious faith and 'faith in naturalism' in the same breath, as Lennox does? I would have thought that if someone's faith in Christ were on a par with my faith in naturalism it would amount to such a meagre, milksop kind of thing as to be not worth having.
With this understanding of naturalism isn't it just a bit odd to speak of religious faith and 'faith in naturalism' in the same breath, as Lennox does? I would have thought that if someone's faith in Christ were on a par with my faith in naturalism it would amount to such a meagre, milksop kind of thing as to be not worth having.
VR: But there are people out there with far
more zeal and dedication to atheistic naturalism than a lot of Christians I
know have with respect to their faith.
Atheism matters to these people, they want others to embrace it, and
they are willing to deny access to positions of scientific or philosophical
authority to those who disagree with their naturalism.
Surely the essence of much religion and certainly Christianity is the conviction that personhood lies at the very heart of things. Faith in Christ involves a relation with a person with all the emotional and moral implications that has. Atheists just don't feel this way.
Surely the essence of much religion and certainly Christianity is the conviction that personhood lies at the very heart of things. Faith in Christ involves a relation with a person with all the emotional and moral implications that has. Atheists just don't feel this way.
I would agree in the sense that a Christian’s
faith is a different kind of thing from faith in naturalism. On the other hand,
I think it is epistemologically similar. On the other hand there are
epistemological similarities. One considers the reasons for and against, and
one commits to naturalism, or some religious view. Because a large part of a
person’s life is structured around the decision one makes, it is understandable
that people will be slow to reconsider their positions once taken. I do not see
any less obstinacy of belief on either side of the issue.