It seems to me that there are a lot of situations in which a woman might make a decision to get an abortion. They could be doing it because having a baby would compromise their party lifestyle. They might be doing it because they were raped. They might to do it because they don't want to put off their college degree. They might do it because they know they can't afford to care for the child once it's born, or because they won't be able to afford to get the prenatal care they will need to complete the pregnancy. Or they could choose abortion because they don't want to bring a disabled child into the world (implying that disability makes a life not worth living). The only way you can argue that abortion is OK across the board is to maintain that the fetus, prior to birth, is a blob of tissue that has no intrinsic value. Many people who might not be prepared to equate all abortion with murder might nonetheless think that in an abortion you cause the loss of something of considerable value, and that decision to abort, at minimum, should not be taken lightly. (But others actually think abortions are something to shout about). https://shoutyourabortion.com/book/
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Many people who might not be prepared to equate all abortion with murder might nonetheless think that in an abortion you cause the loss of something of considerable value, and that decision to abort, at minimum, should not be taken lightly.
What thing of considerable value is lost by killing? Other than your own eternal soul?
Does that sound harsh? It shouldn't to Christians. Jesus was also a "fetus" a baby, a teen, and an adult.
I know, I know, this isn't "Catholic Poland" so logical thinking is not allowed here in the US.
Merry Christmas.
I know, I know, this isn't "Catholic Poland" so logical thinking is not allowed here in the US
At least we are still better off than Norway, which is precisely where Democrats want to take us. Government health care and prison if you say a man is a male. The EU wants to financially punish Hungary for recognizing that fact, while Norway is applauded for allowing gender change on ID with no medical diagnosis required.
If Democrats would abandon this leftwing lunacy, I could vote Democrat. Right now it's like accepting a homecooked meal laced with arsenic.
I thought this might interest you.
https://defendingfeminism.com/responses/?fbclid=IwAR3jnQFPCTArl5hZvXi2oDTgmlGK159jwr_GLj_-JB7sJdy26TMMAS561BA
"others actually think abortions are something to shout about"
Seems like a logical conclusion, if one asserts abortion is not something to be ashamed of.
It's kind of like being openly homosexual. It's a way of saying "if you have a problem with it that is your problem so take your stigma and put it where the sun don't shine".
Victor,
That link you provided actually made me think you were pro-life for a second.
Even the worst proponents here have better arguments.
The EU wants to financially punish Hungary for recognizing that fact, while Norway is applauded for allowing gender change on ID with no medical diagnosis required.
Hungary sounds like a nice place to move to once the EU dissolves.
"I know, I know, this isn't "Catholic Poland" so logical thinking is not allowed here in the US."
I do not understand what you are trying to say here. Could you kindly explain?
I rather like Kevin's meal choice analogy.
Yes, the Democrats do indeed serve up a delicious meal, spoiled by a seasoning of arsenic. No argument there. But meanwhile the Republican offer is a plateful of pure strychnine, no seasoning required.
Starhopper,
I do not understand what you are trying to say here. Could you kindly explain?
It's a reference to Victor's argument that this is America and we shouldn't outlaw abortion here in America because we're not Catholic Poland.
From the post:
"Abortometrics, or what is the real pro-life goal?"
But meanwhile the Republican offer is a plateful of pure strychnine, no seasoning required.
I'd use the same analogy for the Republican Party as I do the Democrats. Both have things I could get behind, both have things I despise. Also I hate both parties, I hate both sets of leaders, I hate their divisive rhetoric, I hate their caving to the least reasonable yet loudest segments of their bases, and I hate their childish behavior.
When I said there was arsenic in the meal, I meant a lethal dose.
Kevin,
Sounds like you're pretty discouraged.
If you really hated things though you should take action and make a difference. Maybe you already do, but maybe not.
You have a sound mind and so have the makings of being persuasive. Why let the unreasonable (and immoral) run things?
Kevin,
I share your despair. Just remember it has always been thus. Whether chieftains, kings, or elected senators, governments are run by people who love power more than anything else. Yet, individual people can still do good in the world.
Case in point. Half the country thinks it is virtuous to support killing the unborn on a whim. And if you attempt to point out the problem, they start screaming about sexism and rights. There is almost never a rational discussion to be had on saving the unborn from gruesome deaths in the name of freedom.
Tired of it.
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Kevin,
" Half the country thinks it is virtuous to support killing the unborn on a whim."
How absurd.
Nobody thinks that outside of the insane and criminally deranged, much less half the country.
" And if you attempt to point out the problem, they start screaming about sexism and rights."
You are obviously incapable of pointing out the problem, which is why people start screaming at you, because you start out saying such absurd things.
"There is almost never a rational discussion to be had on saving the unborn from gruesome deaths in the name of freedom."
Obviously because you are incapable of forming a rational argument on this subject.
For there to be the loss of a person, the loss of a human like, the death of a living human being with an intrinsic right to life, there must first be a live such person.
Nobody believes your inane caricature because they don't believe abortion is the killing of a human being with an intrinsic right to life.
The problem in your failed conversations is at least you, since you live in a parallel universe of an idiotic strawman of the other person, of course you cannot get a good conversation going on this subject.
Learn how to use the terminology of the other and most importantly accurately characterize their position and you may find people don't scream at you so much.
"Tired of it."
Right back atch ya.
I'm aware of your idiotic opinions on this subject, Stardusty. When you have some facts to share, I'll respond to them. Because I'm also tired of dealing with all the gibberish you spout on every subject.
Rest assured, if I don't respond to a post of yours, it's because what you said was stupid and contained nothing of value. And I don't care if you don't care.
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