Friday, June 10, 2016

Joe Hinman's Trace of God

Here.  It's a version of the case from religious experience.

8 comments:

Joe Hinman said...

here is a better podcast with better audio and better energy level from me. I was sick doing the other one. long build up.

Here

Joe Hinman said...

ok give it a chance

Edward T. Babinski said...

One does not have to claim that everyone's religious experiences are false in order to ask, How can any kind of God expect us to know what to make of the diversity of religious beliefs and miracle stories? We are presented with a mixed bag of evidence.

Miracles from all religions (including amazing coincidences that seem to just happen and are not related to a religion), when viewed together, provide a crazy mixed bag of "evidence." So how can "God or WhateverIsOutThere" expect us to know what to make of them?

See this piece and its links http://religiousmiracles.blogspot.com/2013/02/miracles-of-all-religions-provide-crazy.html

P.S., Protestants see Jesus and angels but seldom Mary because the awe/respect that Catholics pay Mary is denigrated by Protestants. Catholics see Jesus and Mary. Native Americans experience illuminating visions of animal spirits. Hindus may be visited by personae from their vast pantheon, while Buddhists may experience the compassionate ‘amida Buddha’ as they pray, ‘Save me, amida Buddha.’ A different school of Buddhists even experiences ‘born again’ like experiences of hellish fears followed by the relief of salvation (as discussed in Conrad Hyersʼs book, One-Born, Twice-Born Zen). New Agers see chakra colors and UFOs. A Gallup poll revealed that Southerners hear Godʼs voice much more often than Northerners. Just whose voice are these people hearing and does it sound Southern to them? (Protestants stress hearing Godʼs voice more and the value of ‘the Word,’ while Catholics stress seeing God more, which may explain the greater number of visions they experience in general.) What about J. B. Phillipsʼs story that C. S. Lewis ‘appeared’ to him after Lewis had died? (Cannon Phillips had corresponded with Lewis ‘a fair amount’ before Lewis died, and only saw him in the flesh once before. When Phillips mentioned that appearance to a certain saintly Bishop, the Bishopʼs reply was, “My dear J., this sort of thing is happening all the time.”) My friend, Will Bagley, told me that in a very realistic dream, Rajneesh, the Hindu guru, once appeared to Will at the foot of his bed with a brief message. My former fiancé told me about how a Catholic aunt of hers once saw Jesus before going to bed one night. (She told Jesus she was tired, and went to bed!) Dr. Robert Price knew a woman who ran a religious bookstore who claimed that Jesus appeared to her often. (Ask him about that story sometime.) My step-fatherʼs great aunt was very ill and staying with me and my Mom and Step-Dad when she seemed to be hearing voices and seeing lights before she passed away. I have also read stories on the web of Near Death Experiences as told by people from different cultures such as a person in Thailand who claimed to have seen some deities from their Buddhist religious backgrounds, including a talking turtle.

Edward T. Babinski said...

Also, Joe, Elsewhere I see that you have tried to defend the empty tomb and guards story in Matthew by appealing to the Gospel of Peter as an early independent witness to such a tale. But neither Raymond Brown nor the majority of biblical scholars views the Gospel of Peter as containing authentic history. The reception history of the Gospel of Peter and its additions to the tale of the empty tomb and to the tale about the guards, and its added weird miracles speak volumes about it being a later creation based on the Matthew story rather than the other way round. You should read the conclusion to this book on the reception history of the Gospel of Peter: https://books.google.com/books?id=1qHKGmydMnMC&lpg=PA30&ots=AQMWnPsBRT&dq=Raymond%20Brown%20%22Canonical%20Gospel%20Priority%22&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false

Even your fellow Evangelicals disagree with you concerning the value of the Gospel of Peter, read the info at the following link from pages in Studying the Historical Jesus: Evaluations of the State of Current Research (New Testament Tools and Studies)May 25, 1998 by Dr Craig A Evans and Bruce Chilton, pg. 512ff https://books.google.com/books?id=AJM9grxOjjMC&lpg=PA512&dq=reception%20history%20of%20%22the%20gospel%20of%20peter%22&pg=PA512#v=onepage&q&f=false

Joe Hinman said...

One does not have to claim that everyone's religious experiences are false in order to ask, How can any kind of God expect us to know what to make of the diversity of religious beliefs and miracle stories? We are presented with a mixed bag of evidence.


that is why he created W.T. Stace and Ralph Hood.

Miracles from all religions (including amazing coincidences that seem to just happen and are not related to a religion), when viewed together, provide a crazy mixed bag of "evidence." So how can "God or WhateverIsOutThere" expect us to know what to make of them?

did you listen ot teh pod cast at the top please lkisten,

Joe Hinman said...

Protestants see Jesus and angels but seldom Mary because the awe/respect that Catholics pay Mary is denigrated by Protestants. Catholics see Jesus and Mary. Native Americans experience illuminating visions of animal spirits. Hindus may be visited by personae from

if you had listened to the pod cast you would know why this is wrong .kit;s disproved.you are comparing doctrines I'm talking mystical experience.

Joe Hinman said...

Also, Joe, Elsewhere I see that you have tried to defend the empty tomb and guards story in Matthew by appealing to the Gospel of Peter as an early independent witness to such a tale. But neither Raymond Brown nor the majority of biblical scholars views the Gospel of Peter as containing authentic history. The reception history of the Gospel of Peter and its additions to the tale of the empty tomb and to the tale about the guards, and its added weird miracles speak volumes about it being a later creation based on the Matthew story rather than the other way round. You should read the conclusion to this book on the reception history of the Gospel of Peter: https://books.google.com/books?id=1qHKGmydMnMC&lpg=PA30&ots=AQMWnPsBRT&dq=Raymond%20Brown%20%22Canonical%20Gospel%20Priority%22&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false
this is tgotally irrelivant. you are notvenven tryjng tovthinkaboutv the book, lkistgneto the pkd sast.

Even your fellow Evangelicals disagree with you concerning the value of the Gospel of Peter, read the info at the following link from pages in Studying the Historical Jesus: Evaluations of the State of Current Research (New Testament Tools and Studies)May 25, 1998 by Dr Craig A Evans and Bruce Chilton, pg. 512ff https://books.google.com/books?


what makes you think I', an evangelical.I'm a poet, adn a reader of Kierkegaard.

Joe Hinman said...

was it creaky hared to listen to the damn thing> why is it so hard to get Christians to care about having the goods on atheist BS?