Saturday, March 31, 2012

Sudduth Defense the Fine-Tuning Argument

16 comments:

Papalinton said...

Theism, a warm blanket to keep out the cold of physical reality.

Jake Elwood XVI said...

Witty remarks, a mighty fortress to keep out intellectual challenges.

Papa, you remind me of the Frenchmen from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail". "Your mother was a hamster."

Have you had a chance to look at those quotes about the trinity in context? Specifically the New Catholic Encyclopaedia and Encyclopaedia Britannica?

Papalinton said...

Perhaps somewhat more germane to the issue, have you watched Monty Python's "Life of Brian"?

Truly a wonderful comedic perspective on the christian mythos.

Jake Elwood XVI said...

Papa, that would be amusing, however more German to our conversation would be Franz Kafka.

P.S. Have you seen "Life of Brian" or are you taking someone else's interpretation and quotes from their webpage?

Papalinton said...

"P.S. Have you seen "Life of Brian" or are you taking someone else's interpretation and quotes from their webpage?"

I have a copy of the DVD, tucked in with all my theology references.

Jake Elwood XVI said...

"I have a copy of the DVD, tucked in with all my theology references."

Strangely this does not explicitly answer the question.

So have you seen "Life of Brian" or are you taking someone else's interpretation and quotes from their webpage?

Regards

JEXVI

PS Have you had a chance to look at those quotes about the trinity in context? Specifically the New Catholic Encyclopaedia and Encyclopaedia Britannica?

finney said...

Is this an old Suddoth paper or is this after he converted to Hinduism? I wonder if his conversion affects his view of theistic arguments.

BenYachov said...

>Is this an old Suddoth paper or is this after he converted to Hinduism? I wonder if his conversion affects his view of theistic arguments.

Does it matter? Hindus are Theists & they can be monotheists(as well as Pantheists, Polytheists, Monists etc).

Hinduism is more of a family of religions then a religion.

Jake,

Paps takes great delight in feelings based ridicule over intelligent argument. I've begged him for years to read some intelligent Atheist philosophers but he can't go beyond THE GOD DELUSION.

Cole said...

I guess this is where the recent statement from some people that Allah is really the same as the trinitarian Christian God comes in. Christians will now claim that since Hindu's can be Theists that Sudduth is really still a Christian. You just have to go back to the original languages.

AmirF said...

"Theism, a warm blanket to keep out the cold of physical reality."


Newsflash: One does not have to be religious to be a theist. Cf. Aristotle, Voltaire, Thomas Jefferson.

Only an idiot would claim that someone like Aristotle was afraid of the "cold of physical reality."

BenYachov said...

Good point AmirF. AG Flew came to believe in God but not in an afterlife at the end.

Cole said...

Who doesn't have fears and insecurities? If you don't have them or have never had them then you are not human. Suppose there is a hell of eternal suffering. Who wouldn't be afraid of such a thing? You would have to be a psychopath with no emotion (like the Aristotalian God - 'the unmoved mover') to not be afraid.

Victor Reppert said...

I didn't know about the Hinduism business, though I think this would not affect the the content of this argument, since it isn't in favor of a Christian God as opposed to some other.

AmirF said...

Cole,

I, admittedly, like you, experience many moments wherein I'm made insecure by my epistemic limitations. Often, reality just strikes us as being unfairly impenetrable to our intellects - a human experience as ubiquitous as breathing.

But let's be precise: A fear is a fear of something. And fearing "reality" (which is a concept colossal in content) is manifestly not the same thing as fearing "physical reality" (which is far more limited in content, seeing as the adjective modifies the noun). I am not, for instance, afraid of any of the facts about the cosmos disclosed by the scientific method. Which is clearly what Papalinton was trying to imply. And which was what I was responding to.

finney said...

"Does it matter? Hindus are Theists & they can be monotheists(as well as Pantheists, Polytheists, Monists etc).

Hinduism is more of a family of religions then a religion."

It matters to me, because it's an interesting question. It's interesting to me what Suddoth thinks of apologetics as a Hindu.

finney said...

And further, it's innaccurate to say Hinduism is a family of religions than a religion. It's probably innaccurate to make any such generalized statement about Hinduism. To some Hindus, Hinduism is simply many manifestations of one unified God-belief. One God, many avatars. To others, Hinduism is polytheistic, which makes it arguably inconsistent with the conclusions of a fine-tuning argument.

At any rate, it is an interesting question whether a Hindu, by virtue of the theological beliefs he may have, has the same incentives to do apologetics as a Christian.