Thursday, January 26, 2017

Was Jesus a Myth? Carrier vs. Marshall



steve said...

Marshall 1
Carrier 0

B. Prokop said...

Just listened to the broadcast, and was not impressed by either performance. It rather quickly devolved into something like we all too often see on the internet - accusations of lying and being dishonest to one's self traded back and forth, and allowing personalities to get in the way of the issues.

It's a shame because the case for the historicity of the Gospels, while strong, just wasn't made here. And even the negative case was not really presented here. A missed opportunity on both sides.

Waste of time. I want my hour and 20 minutes back! (At least I cleaned up my kitchen and rearranged some cupboards while listening, so it wasn't a total loss.)

B. Prokop said...

A really excellent, recent book on this subject is Brant Pitre's The Case for Jesus (242 pages, including endnotes).

(Posted in part just so I could see what my new image looked like.)

grodrigues said...

@B. Prokop:

This has nothing to do with the OP (and thus an apology to everyone else -- this intermission will be over soon), but I am surprised that in your list of favorite movies are Trakovsky's "Solaris" and "Andrei Rublev" but not his absolute masterpiece "Nostalghia".

grodrigues said...

Ack, "Trakovsky's" should of course be "Tarkovsky's"

B. Prokop said...

I've never seen it!

(Still trying to find a new Image for my postings.)

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

Carrier atheism's wonderkit, the ubermench. The Devenchi of Bayes theory,

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

"Trakovsky's" should of course be "Tarkovsky's"

good example of how to torture a dyslexic, since that was put up i had not been able to tell the difference until just now, i looked at it for the longest time and saw "Tar" in both,

B. Prokop said...

Since we've gone totally off subject, I feel no compunction against continuing the digression.

I absolutely love Russian cinema. It began simply as a tool to keep my language skills sharp. Since I no longer need to read, hear, or speak Russian professionally, I started watching movies in Russian just to hear the language. But I shortly discovered just how good the Russian movie industry was - very different from Hollywood. There's no emphasis on who's acting, and more tolerance for ambiguity in plot resolution. My favorite films in Russian? Here are my "Top 10" (in no particular order):

Ivan the Terrible, Parts 1 and 2. (dir. by Eisenstein)
Aleksandr Nevsky (Eisenstein, but mostly for the Prokofiev soundtrack)
Ballad of a Soldier (Chukhrai)
The Forty-First (Chukhrai)
Siberiad (Konchalovsky)
The Irony of Fate (Ryazanov)
Andrei Rublev (Tarkovsky)
Solaris (Tarkovsky)
Wings (Shepitko)
The Fall of Berlin (pure Stalinist crap, dir. by Chiaureli - so bad that it's good!)

Some "near misses" would include the 1924 silent film Aelita, the Queen of Mars (Protazanov) and The Cranes are Flying (Kalatozov).

(Also, I think I've finally settled on a new image for my postings!)

grodrigues said...

I am not a Russian film buff but besides Tarkovsky I would certainly add Elem Klimov's "Idi i Smotri" (I think the English title was "Come and see").

I do not understand a single word of Russian, but it is darned beautiful.

B. Prokop said...

I give my highest possible recommendation to Ballad of a Soldier. If you are not surrounded by puddles of your own tears by the movie's end, there's something wrong with you!

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

I love Tarkovsky, and Eisenstein of course. the D.W. Griffith of Russian film

d Dovzhenko, Sergei Paradjanov