Saturday, February 14, 2009

Manata Responds to My Post on Islam and Calvinism

Sad to say, we don't have a lot to disagree about with respect to the particular points relating to this exchange.


normajean said...

It's good to see the family getting along. I mean that seriously =)

John Lofton, Recovering Republican said...

Calvinist site; please visit, comment.

And, please, forget "conservatism." It has been, operationally, de facto, Godless and therefore irrelevant. Secular conservatism will not defeat secular liberalism because to God both are two atheistic peas-in-a-pod and thus predestined to failure. As Stonewall Jackson's Chief of Staff R.L. Dabney said of such a humanistic belief more than 100 years ago:

"[Secular conservatism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today .one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt bath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth."

Our country is collapsing because we have turned our back on God (Psalm 9:17) and refused to kiss His Son (Psalm 2).

John Lofton, Editor,
Recovering Republican

Perezoso said...
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Perezoso said...

Rather amusing, given the Bush Administration's ties to fundamentalists (calvinists, more or less). At one point Bush claimed that his political views were guided by the Book of Revelation, did he not? Holy Blood Red Heifer, batman.
Manata and the Triablogue cronies on occasion sound rather Imam-like themselves.

Secularism was the guiding principle for James Madison, Jefferson and pals (most of them anyways, though even then calvinists were an issue).

Fundamentalism didn't get rolling until like Andrew Jackson. The confederacy itself was, arguably, a protestant theocracy (excepting a few papists like Beauregard-- Jeff Davis's foe post-bellum).

So, Loftus gets it wrong: intelligent secularism of the Madisonian sort remains in short supply. It's not James Madison being featured in the baptist and mormon warehouses each sunday AM.