Saturday, January 29, 2022

Errors and slavery

 The case for slavery in America. 

Here. 


How did people defend positions we now think are obviously morally deficient? How do moral errors take place? 

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bmiller said...

The explanation for the twisted reasoning from that article:

Unfortunately the facts belie their denial. There prevails in the writings of many contemporary authors the disposition to represent every extension of governmental power and every restriction of the individual's discretion as a measure of liberation, as a step forward on the road to liberty. Carried to its ultimate logical conclusion, this mode of reasoning leads to the inference that socialism, the complete abolition of the individual's faculty to plan his own life and conduct, brings perfect freedom. It was this reasoning that suggested to socialists and Communists the idea of arrogating to themselves the appellation liberal.

Starhopper said...

Stopping a deadly global pandemic from spreading is not tyranny. Enabling it to spread (by resisting vaccination and/or masks) is borderline manslaughter.

One person's liberty stops at another person's nose. There is no "right" to blow one's viruses around, and society has not only the right, but also the duty, to prevent people from doing so.

bmiller said...

Stopping a deadly global pandemic from spreading is not tyranny.

Mandates have demonstrably failed to stop the pandemic. Omicron, a milder form of the virus is doing that. Only a tryant would see people protesting to point that out as an opportunity to take away all of their rights.....apparently indefinitely.

bmiller said...

"Hillary was never president."

Our loss.


Don't worry. I hear there is a push to get her to occupy a federal institution soon.;-)

bmiller said...

There is no "right" to blow one's viruses around, and society has not only the right, but also the duty, to prevent people from doing so.

The rights being violated by the tyrant are the right of people to peacefully protest, the right of the people to own property and the right of the press to report on what the government is doing. The administration is tacitly supporting the suppression of those rights and that should be chilling to freedom loving Americans.

bmiller said...

Finally. Someone at the Pentagon is thinking straight. Let's preserve democracy in our own hemisphere before we start a war with Russia over Ukraine (which no one can explain why the US should care about)

bmiller said...

Click on the video at the bottom of the article too. :-)

bmiller said...

If you've relied on the CDC for your covid info no wonder you're uninformed.

From the article:
“It gets really exhausting when you see the private sector working faster than the premier public health agency of the world,” Ms. Rivera said.

Kevin said...

Stopping a deadly global pandemic from spreading is not tyranny.

The strategy is what determines whether it is tyranny or not. See China, for example.

Kevin said...

"Hillary was never president."

Our loss.


I haven't murdered enough children to deserve Hillary as my president.

Starhopper said...
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Starhopper said...

She was infinitely better than the alternative, and we will be recovering from the disaster of not electing her president for the rest of our lives.

bmiller said...

we will be recovering from the disaster of not electing her president for the rest of our lives.

Right. Trump was bad for socialists. We've avoided full on socialism for the time being. Biden is too incompetent.

bmiller said...

Ottowa police now have a theme song!

bmiller said...

Time to open up our Northern border and provide free transportation and spending money to Canadians fleeing a corrupt regime. This refuge will also appreciate that vaccines are not required.

bmiller said...

I haven't been watching the news for a while.

Has Biden told us that Putin is personally pulling Ukraine babies out of incubators and bayoneting them yet? WMDs?

Kevin said...

we will be recovering from the disaster of not electing her president for the rest of our lives.

Not electing Clinton was a very good thing. Not electing Trump would have also been a very good thing.

I would also point out that I disliked both parties, and I was not convinced Trump was the embodiment of evil, so I watched both his presidency and the behavior of the opposition party. You won't ever admit it or likely be capable of seeing it, but the behavior of the Democrats was pathetic. I have never seen anything like it. Even the petty childish "party of no" behavior of Republicans during the Obama years seemed like solemn professionalism in comparison. The left wing media and the Democratic base were just as bad, if not worse.

I might agree with you that the damage done during the Trump years was extensive, but I would put the blame where it is due, and a massive chunk of that blame lands squarely on the shoulders of Democrats.

Starhopper said...

"a massive chunk of that blame lands squarely on the shoulders of Democrats"

To me, that sounds exactly like blaming the wife for the husband beating her.

bmiller said...

Trump's problem was that he was too nice.

Hope Biden's replacement (may be Trump) is the hammer of justice.

Starhopper said...

"may be Trump"

Nah, he'll be a convicted felon by then, if he hasn't opted for the Jeffrey Epstein exit.

The Hammer of Justice is about to fall on him.

bmiller said...

You keep confusing the winner of the 2016 race with the loser.

Starhopper said...

Oh, I know all too well who the loser in 2016 was - the American People!

bmiller said...

Biden is getting tough now

bmiller said...

Oh, I know all too well who the loser in 2016 was - the American People!

Just the socialist American people. But that's an oxymoron.

bmiller said...

I wonder why this is?

According to regime media:

Ukrainian nationalism - good
Polish nationalism - bad
Hungarian nationalism - bad
American nationalism - very very bad
Canadian nationalism - literally terrorism

Starhopper said...

I'll solve it for you.

ALL nationalisms - bad.
One world government - very, very good.

That was easy. Next?

bmiller said...

Right. I understand that communists want a global dictatorship but that isn't the question.

Why does the commumnist regime tell us that "Ukrainian nationalism - good"

My guess is that they figure there are still some people out there that still believe them and will maybe be convinced that it's a good idea to go to war with nationalist Russia.

We will probably have to outlaw socialism completely in America since due to it's seditious and immoral nature.

bmiller said...

We outlawed one type of slavery in the past. Time to outlaw this other type now.

Starhopper said...

I totally agree. It's long past time that we lock up the entire criminal Trump family, the greatest threat to American liberties since Robert E. Lee, along with all of his sycophantic enablers in the Republican Party. Glad we can agree on something!

bmiller said...

Said Mr. "Freedom is Slavery"

bmiller said...

What was true of the socialists in 1850 is true of the socialists of today.
The black-face Hitler in Canada is no different from the head-chopper Robespierre from the French Revolution. Liberty for them is only what the immoral government allows you do.

So "Freedom is Slavery" in that those who seek God-given liberty rather than State-given liberty will be treated like slaves attempting escape. Conversely "Slavery is Freedom" as long as you don't claim God-given rights you are "free" to do as the State lets you do.


The Socialists Want Dictatorship

Again, it is claimed that persons are nothing but raw material. It is not for them to will their own improvement; they are incapable of it. According to Saint-Just, only the legislator is capable of doing this. Persons are merely to be what the legislator wills them to be. According to Robespierre, who copies Rousseau literally, the legislator begins by decreeing the end for which the commonwealth has come into being. Once this is determined, the government has only to direct the physical and moral forces of the nation toward that end. Meanwhile, the inhabitants of the nation are to remain completely passive. And according to the teachings of Billaud-Varennes, the people should have no prejudices, no affections, and no desires except those authorized by the legislator. He even goes so far as to say that the inflexible austerity of one man is the foundation of a republic.

In cases where the alleged evil is so great that ordinary governmental procedures cannot cure it, Mably recommends a dictatorship to promote virtue: "Resort," he says, "to an extraordinary tribunal with considerable powers for a short time. The imagination of the citizens needs to be struck a hard blow." This doctrine has not been forgotten. Listen to Robespierre:

"The principle of the republican government is virtue, and the means required to establish virtue is terror. In our country we desire to substitute morality for selfishness, honesty for honor, principles for customs, duties for manners, the empire of reason for the tyranny of fashion, contempt of vice for contempt of poverty, pride for insolence, greatness of soul for vanity, love of glory for love of money, good people for good companions, merit for intrigue, genius for wit, truth for glitter, the charm of happiness for the boredom of pleasure, the greatness of man for the littleness of the great, a generous, strong, happy people for a good-natured, frivolous, degraded people; in short, we desire to substitute all the virtues and miracles of a republic for all the vices and absurdities of a monarchy."

Starhopper said...

"Liberty for them is only what the immoral government allows you do."

Sez the person who just recently posted "Time to outlaw [socialism] now."

bmiller said...

You left off the first part of my quote:

"We outlawed one type of slavery in the past. Time to outlaw this other type now."

The Law's purpose is to protect the life, liberty and property of the citizens it serves. Not to allow their enslavement to either other individuals or to the State as the socialists want.
Therefore the Law is just when it prevents slavery and unjust when it promotes it.

Pretty much the thesis of Bastiat's essay (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html) and reflected in the US Constitution.

bmiller said...

Iceland has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. Yet covid cases are at an all time high in Iceland by far:

In response, Iceland is locking down, mandating more vaccinations and requiring masks!
Nah, just kidding. They're removing all restrictions. Because they understand science.

Black-face Hitler needs to pay attention.

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