Monday, March 11, 2019

Wives should submit, or should they?

It would make life easier for me as a husband if they had to. But I think its pretty problematic.



Starhopper said...

Any male who is foolish enough to quote Paul out of context as regards marital relations, ought to take a deep breath before getting to Ephesians 5:25. "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."

Yikes! Paul is telling men that they ought to be willing to go to the cross for their wives' benefit. He makes no such similar admonition to women.

So I say to anyone who quotes Paul to justify his wish to dominate his wife, "Are you willing to be crucified for her? If not, then shut up!"

Legion of Logic said...

Reading the article and the comments (not to mention the actual source material), I suspect that this interpretation is a political ideology looking for scriptural justification, rather than a scriptural understanding being practiced. Their Greek usage also seems problematic. This, for example, would dispute their interpretation of the Greek word "kephale".

Also here, which links to further reading within the post.

Looks to me like the traditional understanding has far more scriptural support.

Legion of Logic said...

Starhopper is also correct. There is absolutely nothing in scripture that justifies a husband dominating his wife. As mentioned, he is to be willing to suffer and die to protect her. Christ is the head of the church, but he also served it in the most powerful way possible.

"Leading from behind" inspires no one except people not meant to lead.

Joseph Hinman (Metacrock) said...

Wayne Grudem is not a major scholar. I knew enough Greek at one time (studied three years--mu under graduate language)to dispute everything he says. The egals have Kephale have it cold. does not mean ruler or commander,all scholars know that, classical scholars laugh at the BS of the complementary to tortue the language.

The most important below no 3 battle for Lexicons I show you can;t trust church lexicons,strongs and Vines you really should use the classical dictionary Liddell and Scot the only one not bidirectionally biased.

The other most important is the last one "Power over her own head," The great Greek scholar Sir William Ramsey proved without doubt 1 cor really says the woman should have power over her own head. not that she should have a symbol of authority over her head, my Greek prof just laughed his head off over that passage because of the BS in church based lexicons.

Here are links to my pages on that term doe back when I was passable in Greek/

"Headshkip" in NY

The meaning of Head part 2

Head 3:battle of lexicons

Eph 5:21

Power over her own head

All my women pages