What is more, the fact that there are scientists who appear to be at
war with God is not quite the same thing as science itself being at war
with God. For example, some musicians are militant atheists. But does
that mean music itself is at war with God? Hardly. The point here may
be expressed as follows: Statements by scientists are not necessarily
statements of science. Nor, we might add, are such statements necessarily
true; although the prestige of science is such that they are often taken to
be so. For example, the assertions by Atkins and Dawkins, with which we
began, fall into that category. They are not statements of science but rather
expressions of personal belief, indeed, of faith – fundamentally no different
from (though noticeably less tolerant than) much expression of the kind
of faith Dawkins expressly wishes to eradicate. Of course, the fact that
Dawkins’ and Atkins’ cited pronouncements are statements of faith does
not of itself mean that those statements are false; but it does mean that they
must not be treated as if they were authoritative science. What needs to be
investigated is the category into which they fit, and, most important of all,
whether or not they are true.
John Lennox, God's Undertaker, (p. 19)
This is a blog to discuss philosophy, chess, politics, C. S. Lewis, or whatever it is that I'm in the mood to discuss.
Thursday, January 26, 2017
Sunday, January 22, 2017
In what sense is atheism a religion, and what are the atheistic options?
Is
Atheism a Religion?
Penn
Jillette is famous for saying, “If atheism is a religion, then not collecting
stamps is a hobby.” Now there is an obvious difficulty involved here, in that
this statement identifies religion with belief in God. Buddhists, for example,
are, strictly speaking, atheists, but they are nevertheless part of a religion.
This gets down to the whole issue of what constitutes
a religion.
On one account, religion indicates aspects of aspects
of reality which are supernatural. But what does “supernatural” mean? The
natural sciences operate and understand the world from the perspective of
prediction and control. We are going to study the world from the standpoint of
what will be helpful to us from the perspective of prediction and control. Religions, we might argue, appeal to the
existence of things we can’t predict and control, and if you don’t think
anything like that exists, then you are without religion. So believing in a law
of karma, which is impersonal but nevertheless won’t be discovered by science,
is something religious, as is belief in a cycle of birth and rebirth, which
looks like something science won’t find. Something might be called supernatural
if it is something we won’t find if we restrict our investigation of the world
to finding those aspects of it we can predict and control.
At the same time, it is probably the case that a
Buddhist would not divide natural and supernatural in this way.
As one Buddhist source writes:
A Buddhist who is fully
convinced of the law of Karma does not pray to another to be saved but
confidently relies on him for his own emancipation. Instead of making any
self-surrender, or calling on any supernatural agency, he relies on his own
will power, and works incessantly for the well-being and happiness of all. This
belief in Karma validates his effort and kindles his enthusiasm, because it
teaches individual responsibility.
However, the sciences do
not confirm the existence of a law of Karma, and the world as it appears to us
suggests that there is no karma.
Another problem with the
Jillette’s statement is that when we cease collecting stamps, there is no other
occupant of that role that needs to replace it. In the case of religion, not
so. Some answer to the fundamental questions that religions attempt to answer
must be put in its place. If one becomes
vegetarian, we have ask what replaces meat in a person’s diet.
However, religion has another sense. In our society we
have immunized religion from coercive operations of government. The idea behind
this is that people are bound to differ about ultimate reality, and we need to
allow people who differ about ultimate reality to operate freely, since society
is not going to agree about these things. If this is the context in which we
are asking this question, then all comprehensive perspectives on ultimate
reality are religions.
Religions are there to ask three fundamental questions
indicated by Immanuel Kant: What can I know? What must I do? What can I hope?
Let’s look at evangelical Christianity’s answer to these questions. What do I know? I know that God has a plan for my life, that I am a sinner, that Jesus rose from the dead, that Jesus died for my sins, that I must receive Christ in order to be saved.
What
must I do? I must receive Christ as my personal savior, I must obey his
commandments, and engage in public worship, prayer, and Bible study.
What can I hope? I can hope for everlasting communion
with God through Christ.
Buddhism? I know that life is suffering, that suffering
is caused by craving, that if craving is stopped the suffering is stopped, and
that I can stop my craving by following the noble eightfold path. That tells us
what I must do, but there are a number of other ethical requirements as well. I
can hope enlightenment, and a cessation of the cycle of samsara, or the cycle
of birth and rebirth.
What if I am a naturalistic atheist? What can I know?
I might claim to know that God does not exist. But what else do I know? Atheists
are bound to differ on the other stuff. Once God is denied, there are several
ways to go not only with respect to what else is true, but also with respect to
what we should do and what we can hope. But theists . Neither theism nor
atheism are religions on this view, since both it answers only one of the
ultimate questions. If we go theist, then there are some options: Judaism
(several versions), Christianity (several versions) and Islam (several
versions), Deism (different versions there), etc.
If we go atheist, then there are a bunch of options
also.
Atheistic Buddhism
Buddhism is not about either believing or not
believing in God or gods. Rather, the historical Buddha taught that believing
in gods was not useful for those seeking to realize enlightenment. In other
words, God is unnecessary in Buddhism. For this reason, Buddhism is more
accurately called nontheistic than atheistic. But it is an
alternative available to atheists.
Atheistic existentialism
Existentialism is generally an atheistic philosophy
though some theists have attempted to adopt it into their individual theistic
paradigms. “Although many, if not most, existentialists were atheists, [Søren]
Kierkegaard, Karl Jaspers and Gabriel Marcel pursued more theological versions
of existentialism. The one-time Marxist Nikolai Berdyaev developed a philosophy
of Christian existentialism in his native Russia and later France during the decades
preceding World War II.
Existentialism, for most of its adherents, can be
understood as atheistic. In order to see this, it helps to look at the
philosophy of existentialism as it contrasts with that of theism. Theists
generally believe in an ultimate transcendent reality. Existentialists believe
each person’s experience is unique and truly known only by that person. In
other words, theists point to an objective reality, while existentialists see
only a subjective one.
There is no truth about what we ought to do, and no
purpose for human existence. We must find meaning wherever we can, and there
are no right answers.
Albert Camus, a existentialist novelist, offers three
responses to the absurdity of human life. First, one can commit suicide. As he
puts it, “There is only one really serious philosophical question, and that is
suicide” (MS, 3). The second option, reflected by his character Rieux in The
Plague, is to fight for humanity as best one can even though there is no
conviction that ultimate success is even attainable. The third, adopted by the
title character of his play Caligula, is to take whatever benefits are available
for oneself, since the absurdity of life will triumph in the end.
Woody Allen’s movie Crimes and Misdemeanors reflects
an existentialist form of atheism. In that movie, and ophthalmologist is
involved in an extramarital affair and wants to end it, but his mistress
threatens him with exposure if he tries to end the affair. Son he contacts his
mobster brother and has her murdered. He is at first stricken with shame and
talks to his rabbi about confessing, but in the end he concludes that God is a
luxury he can’t afford and stops feeling guilty. From an atheistic perspective
there is no advantage to doing the right thing and confessing, and leaving the
crime under the rug.
Marxist atheism
Religious beliefs are false, and these beliefs are
used by defenders of counter-revolutionary ideologies as a basis for keeping
people away from serious efforts to improve their condition. The inevitable
dialectic of history is headed toward a classless and stateless society, but
religion stands in the way.
In a way, this reconstitutes religion-like doctrines
of a glorious future, although the individual will cease to exist before it is
ushered in.
Atheist communist regimes have been guilty of mass
murder, of religious suppression, and unjustly creating an oligarch of members
of the Party. What began as a combination of secularism with a strong motive to
help the oppressed workers ended up creating one of the movements in history
that has done the most damage. Its death toll dwarfs the Crusades, the Spanish
Inquisition, and the Salem Witch Trials by an enormous margin.
Secular humanism
The belief that humanity is capable of morality and
self-fulfillment without belief in God.
Secular humanism is comprehensive, touching every
aspect of life including issues of values, meaning, and identity. Thus it is
broader than atheism, which concerns only the nonexistence of god or the
supernatural. Important as that may be, there’s a lot more to life … and
secular humanism addresses it.
Secular humanism is nonreligious, espousing no
belief in a realm or beings imagined to transcend ordinary experience.
Secular humanism is a lifestance, or what Council
for Secular Humanism founder Paul Kurtz has termed a eupraxsophy: a body
of principles suitable for orienting a complete human life. As
a secular lifestance, secular humanism incorporates the Enlightenment
principle of individualism, which celebrates emancipating the individual
from traditional controls by family, church, and state, increasingly empowering
each of us to set the terms of his or her own life.
Atheistic objectivism
Objectivism holds that there is no greater moral goal than achieving happiness. But
one cannot achieve happiness by wish or whim. Fundamentally, it requires
rational respect for the facts of reality, including the facts about our human
nature and needs. Happiness requires that one live by objective principles,
including moral integrity and respect for the rights of others. Politically,
Objectivists advocate laissez-faire capitalism. Under capitalism, a strictly
limited government protects each person's rights to life, liberty, and property
and forbids that anyone initiate force against anyone else. The heroes of Objectivism are achievers who build businesses, invent technologies, and create art
and ideas, depending on their own talents and on trade with other independent
people to reach their goals.
http://atlassociety.org/objectivism/atlas-university/what-is-objectivism/objectivism-101-blog/3366-what-is-objectivism
Saturday, January 21, 2017
Tuesday, January 17, 2017
Tom Gilson analyzes the fourth L in the LLL argument
LLL, is, of course, Liar, Lunatic, or Lord. It is based on C. S. Lewis's argument in Mere Christianity:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.
It is sometimes thought you can refute it just by adding a logically possible fourth option, such as Legend. However, in a Presidential election, adding a third party does not make it less likely that either the Republican or the Democratic candidate will win the election. The additional alternative has to be plausible, and Gilson here argues that the Legend option is not. This is his blog treatment of it.
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.
It is sometimes thought you can refute it just by adding a logically possible fourth option, such as Legend. However, in a Presidential election, adding a third party does not make it less likely that either the Republican or the Democratic candidate will win the election. The additional alternative has to be plausible, and Gilson here argues that the Legend option is not. This is his blog treatment of it.
Saturday, January 14, 2017
Old Earth Ministries on the Intelligent Design Movement
Here.
8. What Do You Think About the Intelligent Design (ID) movement?
Any Christian who believes God created the world, in either the young or old earth system, believes in an intelligent designer. We support the ID movement in concept, but not necessarily its tactics.
8. What Do You Think About the Intelligent Design (ID) movement?
Any Christian who believes God created the world, in either the young or old earth system, believes in an intelligent designer. We support the ID movement in concept, but not necessarily its tactics.
Saturday, January 07, 2017
Exchange with David Brightly
David Brightly: Science,
science, science! Why is it such a bugbear? Does science have to be diminished
in order to make room for faith?
VR: Not if you make a distinction, as you and I
both do, between science and scientism. The actual doing of science goes on
with no problem without scientism, and the founding fathers of modern science,
and some of the best practicioners today, are religious believers.
Suppose we take
methodological naturalism to be a voluntary constraint on inquiry that rules
out explanation and understanding in terms of persons. Science is then that
body of understanding that eschews personhood as an explanatory factor. So
there can be no science of world war one, say, and hence scientism is ruled
out. Metaphysical naturalism becomes the doctrine that there are no persons
other than the likes of us. Science then neither requires nor implies
metaphysical naturalism, and there is plenty of space within naturalism for
lines of inquiry that lie outside science.
VR: The only thing is that scientific enterprises get funded in
ways that others do not. But we have to
ask what the scientific community is trying to accomplish. The scientific
community can draw the limits of their own inquiry any way they choose. However,
if they put something outside the realm of scientific inquiry, and then make
heavy weather out of the fact that science hasn’t produced evidence for it,
then we have a problem. It’s no insult
to a metal detector that it can’t find a $100 bill you might have left on the
beach.
With this understanding of naturalism isn't it just a bit odd to speak of religious faith and 'faith in naturalism' in the same breath, as Lennox does? I would have thought that if someone's faith in Christ were on a par with my faith in naturalism it would amount to such a meagre, milksop kind of thing as to be not worth having.
With this understanding of naturalism isn't it just a bit odd to speak of religious faith and 'faith in naturalism' in the same breath, as Lennox does? I would have thought that if someone's faith in Christ were on a par with my faith in naturalism it would amount to such a meagre, milksop kind of thing as to be not worth having.
VR: But there are people out there with far
more zeal and dedication to atheistic naturalism than a lot of Christians I
know have with respect to their faith.
Atheism matters to these people, they want others to embrace it, and
they are willing to deny access to positions of scientific or philosophical
authority to those who disagree with their naturalism.
Surely the essence of much religion and certainly Christianity is the conviction that personhood lies at the very heart of things. Faith in Christ involves a relation with a person with all the emotional and moral implications that has. Atheists just don't feel this way.
Surely the essence of much religion and certainly Christianity is the conviction that personhood lies at the very heart of things. Faith in Christ involves a relation with a person with all the emotional and moral implications that has. Atheists just don't feel this way.
I would agree in the sense that a Christian’s
faith is a different kind of thing from faith in naturalism. On the other hand,
I think it is epistemologically similar. On the other hand there are
epistemological similarities. One considers the reasons for and against, and
one commits to naturalism, or some religious view. Because a large part of a
person’s life is structured around the decision one makes, it is understandable
that people will be slow to reconsider their positions once taken. I do not see
any less obstinacy of belief on either side of the issue.
Thursday, January 05, 2017
Humanist Manifesto II on sexual conduct
SIXTH: In the area of sexuality, we believe that intolerant attitudes, often cultivated by orthodox religions and puritanical cultures, unduly repress sexual conduct. The right to birth control, abortion, and divorce should be recognized. While we do not approve of exploitive, denigrating forms of sexual expression, neither do we wish to prohibit, by law or social sanction, sexual behavior between consenting adults. The many varieties of sexual exploration should not in themselves be considered “evil.” Without countenancing mindless permissiveness or unbridled promiscuity, a civilized society should be a tolerant one. Short of harming others or compelling them to do likewise, individuals should be permitted to express their sexual proclivities and pursue their lifestyles as they desire. We wish to cultivate the development of a responsible attitude toward sexuality, in which humans are not exploited as sexual objects, and in which intimacy, sensitivity, respect, and honesty in interpersonal relations are encouraged. Moral education for children and adults is an important way of developing awareness and sexual maturity.
Interestingly enough, Humanist Manifesto III didn't include anything like this.
Interestingly enough, Humanist Manifesto III didn't include anything like this.
Are there limits on scientific inquiry
But here is the problem. People speaking for science, or as Ilion likes to say, Science!, don't accept the idea that science is subjected to a constraint.
What you get is a shell game. "Why should we be naturalists?" Because there is no scientific evidence for anything other than the physical world. "But what about the bacterial flagellum? Isn't that evidence that there is something outside the natural world?" No, you IDiot, to infer from the bacterial flagellum, or the fine tuning of the universe, to a being beyond nature is to violate the canons of scientific inquiry." It is the science defenders who seem to think that belief in anything beyond the natural is somehow a threat to their enterprise, but in fact such heresy hunting, if effective, would deprive the scientific community of some of its best practicioners, such as Francis Collins and Donald Page.
Further, for many atheists, commitment to atheism is something really important to them. I know many atheists who have ten times the zeal most Christians have for their belief. For them it isn't heaven or hell, it's progress or regression.
The scientific community has the right to define the limits of its own inquiry any way it sees fit. To then say that their domain is the complete realm of rational inquiry is to make not a scientific claim, but a philosophical one. And to reject that claim is not to be what they insist one should not be, a science denier.
What you get is a shell game. "Why should we be naturalists?" Because there is no scientific evidence for anything other than the physical world. "But what about the bacterial flagellum? Isn't that evidence that there is something outside the natural world?" No, you IDiot, to infer from the bacterial flagellum, or the fine tuning of the universe, to a being beyond nature is to violate the canons of scientific inquiry." It is the science defenders who seem to think that belief in anything beyond the natural is somehow a threat to their enterprise, but in fact such heresy hunting, if effective, would deprive the scientific community of some of its best practicioners, such as Francis Collins and Donald Page.
Further, for many atheists, commitment to atheism is something really important to them. I know many atheists who have ten times the zeal most Christians have for their belief. For them it isn't heaven or hell, it's progress or regression.
The scientific community has the right to define the limits of its own inquiry any way it sees fit. To then say that their domain is the complete realm of rational inquiry is to make not a scientific claim, but a philosophical one. And to reject that claim is not to be what they insist one should not be, a science denier.
Wednesday, January 04, 2017
Monday, January 02, 2017
Dare we ask if naturalism is a philosophy brought to science?
Questions
about the status of this naturalistic story do not readily
go
away, as the level of public interest shows. So, is naturalism actually
demanded
by science? Or is it just conceivable that naturalism is a
philosophy
that is brought to science, more than something that is entailed
by
science? Could it even be, dare one ask, more like an expression of
faith,
akin to religious faith? One might at least be forgiven for thinking that
from
the way in which those who dare ask such questions are sometimes
treated.
Like religious heretics of a former age they may suffer a form of
martyrdom
by the cutting off of their grants.--John Lennox, God's Undertaker.
Lion Hudson plc, Mar 29, 2011
What would science say in a world in which young earth creationism was true?
Surely there is a possible world in which YEC is true, in which humans develop science. What would scientists in that world say?
There seem to be three possibilities.
1) Science would say the world was created in 6 days approximately 6,000 years ago by a omnipotent supernatural being.
2) Science cannot say how speciation took place.
3) Science must invent an evolutionary theory, even though it is false.
There seem to be three possibilities.
1) Science would say the world was created in 6 days approximately 6,000 years ago by a omnipotent supernatural being.
2) Science cannot say how speciation took place.
3) Science must invent an evolutionary theory, even though it is false.
Sunday, January 01, 2017
How scientism poisions everything
It is actually the half-truths of scientism that truly
poison everything by offering in general and its followers in particular a
fatal scientistic concoction of half-poison and half-water as though it were
pure water. In other words, in the biblical world-view, the counter-claim is Anti-God Secularistic Scientists are not
Great, How Scientism Poisons Everything.
-Dr. Ron Rickards, Eternal Harmony: Volume 1: the Unity of Truth in God
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M7O36QJ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M7O36QJ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
Is the Christian role in the founding of modern science relevant?
Lawrence Krauss says no. In response to Lennox he said:
Let me even agree with you for the moment and say, “Okay,
science owes its origin to Christianity.” Thanks very much. We don’t need you
anymore. You did a great job. You got us here. Now get out of the way.”Let me even agree with you for the moment and say, “Okay,
science owes its origin to Christianity.” Thanks very much. We don’t need you
anymore. You did a great job. You got us here. Now get out of the way.”
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