tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post579913606162217467..comments2024-03-28T12:34:14.649-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: The case for the martyrdom of the apostlesVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-11248680518084390652018-03-14T06:06:30.232-07:002018-03-14T06:06:30.232-07:00@One Brow,
Different book, different arguments.
...<i>@One Brow,<br /><br />Different book, different arguments.</i><br /><br />I was unaware that Feser has changed the way he argues for Aquinas' 5 proofs. What are the differences.<br /><br /><i>However both require the ability to think rationally.</i><br /><br />That would explain Feser's inability to make a convincing argument, perhaps.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-68596774199110374132018-03-13T17:44:19.861-07:002018-03-13T17:44:19.861-07:00Last Sunday I attended a seminar in Baltimore whic...Last Sunday I attended a seminar in Baltimore which included a nobel laureate (for research into the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation), an astrophysicist from the James Webb Telescope project, an astronomer from the Vatican Observatory, an archaeologist who is convinced that "ancient aliens" were responsible for many of the mysterious structures found in Egypt, Mexico, and South America, and a psychic detective who works with the New Jersey Police Department in missing persons cases. <br /><br />There was naturally a broad spectrum of points of view set before us, but what I enjoyed most of all was the uncompromising respect the various speakers had for each other, and their determined quest to find common ground whatever their own philosophies were.<br /><br />Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-79262638560025333592018-03-13T17:23:18.813-07:002018-03-13T17:23:18.813-07:00Hugo: "Naturalism? But it's not what I b...Hugo: "Naturalism? But it's not what I believe, at least not as defined here usually. I don't believe there is necessarily nothing outside the natural world. I don't know and don't think anybody can know, as mentioned above. So not much to defend here."<br /><br />Fair enough.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593005679430527458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-13126294332827294132018-03-13T14:56:02.220-07:002018-03-13T14:56:02.220-07:00@Hugo,
What *is* weird that you hang around Chris...@Hugo,<br /><br />What *is* weird that you hang around Christian blogs pretending to ask Christians why they believe the things they do when you have zero interest in hearing their answers. Smells troll to me.<br /><br />I've pointed out the instances where I thought your posts were irrational or dishonest directly to you and how I was coming to my conclusions. I don't consider irrationality as particularly intelligent. Could I have been wrong? Sure, but you've given no *reasons* for me to think otherwise. You aren't in the reason giving business it seems.<br /><br />If you consider it an insult to have one's posts defined as irrational or dishonest, then you'll have to admit that claiming Starhopper believes in magic is an insult. Or that theists are not being honest when they say they rationally believe the things they say they believe. If you don't, then why take offense at something I shared with Starhopper and *not you*?<br /><br />You're right. You're not important to talk to. You have added nothing to this post but your unsupported opinions and snark. No big deal. It's typical for atheists.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-36809711205062494362018-03-13T13:03:37.188-07:002018-03-13T13:03:37.188-07:00Huh? That's weird... I have apologized for giv...Huh? That's weird... I have apologized for giving the impression I was attempting mind reading, which I think is wrong. I have not written any insults... where did you see that? You did insult me though; you implicitly said that I lack intelligence and/or honesty. I didn't say anything like that about you, and I wouldn't. I just don't know you enough, but I also just don't care about you. You're not important to talk to, just like I am not important to you. This is just a blog. It can lead to some interesting conversations. When it doesn't, it's not a big deal...World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-79459831050040294702018-03-13T12:51:16.782-07:002018-03-13T12:51:16.782-07:00Please.
You just got through whining about me and...Please.<br /><br />You just got through whining about me and insulted me while doing it.<br /><br />I've pointed out that you confuse thinking for feeling, so maybe that's why you think rational discussion is an emotional reaction. But really, why do you think I am only obliged to respond to your posts and not others? Do you have some emotional need to be included? Does that make you feel good about yourself?<br /><br />And you don't answer questions.<br /><br />So yeah, a pretty good demonstration of projection. Congrats. You at least tried to muster reasons for your assertions this time.<br /><br /><br /><br />bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-34440497245658023782018-03-13T12:30:18.875-07:002018-03-13T12:30:18.875-07:00Again, you're not ignoring bmiller... you'...Again, you're not ignoring bmiller... you're really bad at that. I did not say I would ignore so, not sure why it's projection. Perhaps you were refring to the list of things I said you did here on this thread? Let's see...<br /><br />Did I flame you, insult you?<br />No... you did though.<br /><br />Did I do some whining?<br />No... I just state what I am interested in, or not, but you whine that I am not answering the things you want answer. You even said, twice, that I owe you an answer. As if I 'owe' you anything at all.<br /><br />Do I have emotional reactions?<br />No... but I think you do, though it's hard to tell of course. But this thing of talking about me, to your buddies, instead of just engaging like an adult, or just ignoring... I see this as an emotional reaction. You'll looking for your peers' approval; could it be for anything else but feeling good about yourself?<br /><br />Did I give non-answers?<br />Yes, definitely, as I am not interested in everything that's written here. You did the same, when not answering questions and instead insisting I answer yours. It's just what happened...World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-7267518757280937882018-03-13T12:22:30.985-07:002018-03-13T12:22:30.985-07:00Haha. People don't always get what they deser...Haha. People don't always get what they deserve...immediately.<br /><br />Good job at projecting.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-32742945550345341102018-03-13T12:21:32.352-07:002018-03-13T12:21:32.352-07:00Legion,
So, before that distraction, I was about t...Legion,<br />So, before that distraction, I was about to reply back to that:<br />"I won't criticize Hugo for not being interested in playing defense, as I lost interest in the same years ago unless I'm in person with someone I know. But it's also a futile discussion to have two people of that mindset encounter one another haha."<br />I mostly agree with that, except that I am still not sure what 'playing defense' would mean, as in I still don't really know what folks here would want me to defend. <br /><br />My Atheism? But it's the rejection of some beliefs, not something I can defend, only answer to, and I do like to do that, as a conversation. Reading books, nope. Watching a video, maybe. But I don't even know which one Starhopper was talking about for instance; I should go check...<br /><br />Naturalism? But it's not what I believe, at least not as defined here usually. I don't believe there is necessarily nothing outside the natural world. I don't know and don't think anybody can know, as mentioned above. So not much to defend here.<br /><br />My take on how we got here? Yes, I would defend that. But I don't think that people care, as I have mentioned twice already the notion of our atoms' origin for instance. Does anybody disagree? I would defend that view all day long. It's fascinating stuff... but that's not the topic here so I don't think it's relevant.World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-89003019493951807702018-03-13T12:15:41.236-07:002018-03-13T12:15:41.236-07:00bmiller,
You're not great at ignoring... but B...bmiller,<br />You're not great at ignoring... but B+ for the flaming, insults, whining, emotional reactions, and non-answers though.World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1101695884014560032018-03-13T12:14:22.195-07:002018-03-13T12:14:22.195-07:00I hope you don't post on atheist blogs and mer...<b>I hope you don't post on atheist blogs and merely chant that they are wrong over and over.</b><br /><br />If he did that, he would deserve to be flamed.<br />You being a troll, deserve to be ignored.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-86829860365743788982018-03-13T12:10:12.968-07:002018-03-13T12:10:12.968-07:00bmiller, but don't you see the irony after Leg...bmiller, but don't you see the irony after Legion said he doesn't "post on atheist blogs unless I want to get flamed and see how collectively petty a community can get." ?World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-40252289975183918512018-03-13T12:07:18.625-07:002018-03-13T12:07:18.625-07:00If you truly love people you will tell them the tr...If you truly love people you will tell them the truth.<br />What they do with it is up to them.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-18375265496511551212018-03-13T12:07:10.999-07:002018-03-13T12:07:10.999-07:00Starhopper said...
"Que the "Where's...Starhopper said...<br />"Que the "Where's all the Christian Love I'm supposed to be getting from you guys? Wah, wah, wah...""<br />How mature... you guys are great!World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-36880431489107609442018-03-13T12:06:18.633-07:002018-03-13T12:06:18.633-07:00bmiller said...
"You were probably expecting ...bmiller said...<br />"You were probably expecting intelligence or honesty."<br />Wow, seriously, do you really have to go that low?World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-18740902901324095562018-03-13T12:05:18.545-07:002018-03-13T12:05:18.545-07:00Que the "Where's all the Christian Love I...Que the "Where's all the Christian Love I'm supposed to be getting from you guys? Wah, wah, wah..."Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-38248781275165932472018-03-13T11:30:30.364-07:002018-03-13T11:30:30.364-07:00@Starhopper,
What gives here?
You were probably ...@Starhopper,<br /><br /><b>What gives here?</b><br /><br />You were probably expecting intelligence or honesty.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-29173391787665983212018-03-13T11:27:29.761-07:002018-03-13T11:27:29.761-07:00@Legion,
I don't post on atheist blogs unless...@Legion,<br /><br /><b>I don't post on atheist blogs unless I want to get flamed and see how collectively petty a community can get.</b><br /><br />Haha! Yeah, that's not a topic I'm too interested in either.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-54301959615004039032018-03-13T11:15:20.284-07:002018-03-13T11:15:20.284-07:00What confuses me about Hugo is that he flat out ad...What confuses me about Hugo is that he flat out admits that he's not interested in learning the truth, yet he still lurks around what he terms Christian websites. He'll ask for an argument, yet when you point him toward one, he'll say it's too much of an effort. Heck, he wouldn't even watch a video I recommended - something a lot easier (and more entertaining) than reading a book. What gives here?Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-10312164476786188852018-03-13T10:13:42.644-07:002018-03-13T10:13:42.644-07:00I don't post on atheist blogs unless I want to...I don't post on atheist blogs unless I want to get flamed and see how collectively petty a community can get.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593005679430527458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-7807413227508745022018-03-13T08:33:18.575-07:002018-03-13T08:33:18.575-07:00@Legion,
I won't criticize Hugo for not being...@Legion,<br /><br /><b>I won't criticize Hugo for not being interested in playing defense, </b><br /><br />I will.<br />It's one thing to ask questions to learn about another's position but another to merely fold your arms and chant that their position is wrong.<br /><br /><b>But it's also a futile discussion to have two people of that mindset encounter one another haha.</b><br /><br />I hope you don't post on atheist blogs and merely chant that they are wrong over and over.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-75635647468510455392018-03-13T08:24:45.678-07:002018-03-13T08:24:45.678-07:00@One Brow,
Different book, different arguments.
H...@One Brow,<br /><br />Different book, different arguments.<br />However both require the ability to think rationally.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-85619964624144034422018-03-13T08:20:37.203-07:002018-03-13T08:20:37.203-07:00I won't criticize Hugo for not being intereste...I won't criticize Hugo for not being interested in playing defense, as I lost interest in the same years ago unless I'm in person with someone I know. But it's also a futile discussion to have two people of that mindset encounter one another haha.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593005679430527458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-65974994501940504222018-03-13T06:07:10.787-07:002018-03-13T06:07:10.787-07:00If you are sincere about seeking the truth, here i...<i>If you are sincere about seeking the truth, here is a recent book that lays out 5 arguments for the existence of God.</i><br /><br />Aquinas' arguments, and Feser's presentation of them, do not hold up to careful scrutiny. I did a careful reading of Feser's <i>The Last Superstition</i>, which included the basic presentation of those arguments, and wrote a series of posts on them.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-26320049749965507522018-03-13T05:57:15.170-07:002018-03-13T05:57:15.170-07:00Well it's pretty conclusive now.
Hugo is a ty...Well it's pretty conclusive now.<br /><br />Hugo is a typical New Atheist using a typical New Atheist technique to troll. He is here only to make assertions and shift the burden of proof to his opponents. <br /><br />But it seems he's a even more inept New Atheist than most since all he can do is stick his fingers in his ears and chant "atheism is more likely". <br /><br />Here he dishonestly claims he is here because "It's a Christian run blog, I'm learning about that side. But it's... well... bad. Nothing convincing, nothing new, kind of done with it."<br /><br />No one forced him to read anything here. No one forced him to post anything here. He has shown he is not interested in discussing any argument for theism nor will he defend any argument for atheism. He is only here to tell people "how messed up" they are.<br /><br />If you are *really* "done with it" goodbye. You claim to have nothing to learn and you've certainly added nothing. <br /><br /><br /> <br /> bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.com