tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post4257502545462685536..comments2024-03-28T08:58:27.412-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: Sir Isaac Newton was only masquerading as a scientistVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-31211362732463448082013-04-28T12:13:53.383-07:002013-04-28T12:13:53.383-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-5135724254042017212013-04-28T08:12:53.200-07:002013-04-28T08:12:53.200-07:00No argument there.
I've often defended (at ti...No argument there.<br /><br />I've often defended (at times even successfully) the statement that <i>The divine Comedy</i> is the greatest artistic achievement in the history of the world ever attributable to a single person.<br /><br />(Runners-up would include Wagner's <i>Ring</i> Operas, Rublev's <i>Troitsa</i>, and the Venus of Campo Lemini (sculpture) in the British Museum.)B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-44618061228701591322013-04-27T19:53:35.037-07:002013-04-27T19:53:35.037-07:00I agree with Hal that Homer was likely wiser than ...I agree with Hal that Homer was likely wiser than both Dostoevsky and me put together, but... Dostoevsky nevertheless had the advantage of being a Christian. Being a pagan, after all, only gets one as far as the First Circle. (see: <i>The Divine Comedy</i>)B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-14934841821648326002013-04-27T19:06:32.782-07:002013-04-27T19:06:32.782-07:00>I think Homer was wiser than you and Dostoevsk...>I think Homer was wiser than you and Dostoevsky put together.<br /><br />I think Aquinas was wiser then all four of us.;-)<br /><br />So there you have it.Son of Ya'Kovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645132954231868592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-85308826823479002612013-04-27T15:49:32.526-07:002013-04-27T15:49:32.526-07:00>I think Homer was wiser than Dostoevsky: immor...>I think Homer was wiser than Dostoevsky: immortality leads to frivolity.<br /><br />His so called "gods" where just human beings with preternatural meta-powers who lived forever & had nothing too do and thus bored easily.<br /><br />Heaven in the strict sense is the Beatific Vision. The Soul beholding Goodness Itself, Love Itself, Being Itself, having a direct Vision of God & as such would have their final end for the reason they where created. Thus it would never be boring & it would be rest beyond rest.<br /><br />Your thinking of some low ball pagan Heaven that is nothing more than a giant Cosmic block party.Son of Ya'Kovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645132954231868592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-42766259705444531422013-04-27T15:47:47.655-07:002013-04-27T15:47:47.655-07:00I'm assuming that Papalinton has brought up th...I'm assuming that Papalinton has brought up the name of Fred Phelps in an approving manner, seeing as he is in complete agreement with his "church" (sic) as to the appropriateness of certain tactics.B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-41826661404186486212013-04-27T15:43:29.703-07:002013-04-27T15:43:29.703-07:00I hate to admit it but that is a good question fo...I hate to admit it but that is a good question for once Paps.<br /><br />Well thank Heaven for small miracles!<br /><br />Phelps? Well they are heretics & idolators they hold a vile belief that the individual members of their cult have the power to send people to Hell. Claiming for yourself powers that are reserved only to God is the sin of idolatry. <br /><br />Even the Church claims no such power even if she excommunicates people.<br /><br />God alone can save or damn not Phelps who is IMHOa godless man.<br /><br />ISon of Ya'Kovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645132954231868592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-27736273836036492952013-04-27T14:25:58.835-07:002013-04-27T14:25:58.835-07:00"Lewis responded God ofter works within our o...<i>"Lewis responded God ofter works within our own dispositions and by Grace reduces our character flaws over time if we really believe and attend to Him. He also magnifies our existing virtues.<br />So then that Christian woman is a jerk? Imagine how much more of a jerk she would be if she had not the Grace she now has?"</i><br /><br />Fred Phelps?Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-23065154306208176392013-04-26T21:14:03.925-07:002013-04-26T21:14:03.925-07:00Actually Bob I was thinking about C.S. Lewis being...Actually Bob I was thinking about C.S. Lewis being asked what practical good is Christianity?<br /><br />He was told about a women the questioner knew who was a right sour puss and unpleasant character & a Christian and an Atheist acquaintance who was a very pleasant likable chap.<br /><br />Lewis responded God ofter works within our own dispositions and by Grace reduces our character flaws over time if we really believe and attend to Him. He also magnifies our existing virtues.<br /><br />So then that Christian woman is a jerk? Imagine how much more of a jerk she would be if she had not the Grace she now has?<br /><br />Your Atheist friend is a lovely pleasant friendly chap? Imagine how much more pleasant and friendly he would be with a direct infusion of Grace?<br /><br />I am a realist who knows I am not a nice person and I would likely be a monster without the Grace I have.<br /><br />At least I think that I don't wish to test it.Son of Ya'Kovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645132954231868592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-7656915077122837632013-04-26T18:54:56.086-07:002013-04-26T18:54:56.086-07:00Actually, Ben is just restating (albeit rather ine...Actually, Ben is just restating (albeit rather inelegantly) no less than Dostoevsky, or at the least his character Ivan in <i>The Brothers Karamazov</i>, who says, "Without immortality, everything is permissible."<br />B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-62610768056542092802013-04-26T15:45:06.461-07:002013-04-26T15:45:06.461-07:00>Bravo, Ben. You win the prize for best logical...>Bravo, Ben. You win the prize for best logical argument of the day from a theist.<br /><br />This too you is an "argument"? Also this so called "argument" is too you "logical"?<br /><br />Well that explains a lot.Son of Ya'Kovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645132954231868592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-3123209191677742992013-04-26T15:04:15.708-07:002013-04-26T15:04:15.708-07:00"Goodness for goodness sake alone?"
Bra..."Goodness for goodness sake alone?"<br /><br />Bravo, Ben. You win the prize for best logical argument of the day from a theist.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-25259209203683626112013-04-26T14:40:44.218-07:002013-04-26T14:40:44.218-07:00>Now you are beginning to understand the realit...>Now you are beginning to understand the reality of life. You get one shot at it, this life, right now. Don't waste one moment of it imagining an afterlife. You get one at life. Live well, do good for goodness sake alone.<br /><br />Goodness for goodness sake alone? <br /><br />Fuck'em grab all the swag you can especially from braindead weak minded throwbacks like yourself who still hold to the superstition of morality.<br /><br />Some people shouldn't be Atheists. I am definitely one of them.;-)<br /><br />I mean I'm a dick now but imagine......I'd make Paps look like Mother Theresa and I would not waste my time here I'b be out fleecing people.<br /><br />Especially Gnus and Fundies since they are so weak minded.Son of Ya'Kovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645132954231868592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-8409167832970352792013-04-26T05:58:21.425-07:002013-04-26T05:58:21.425-07:00Ben
"OTOH if you are right then when you die ...Ben<br /><i>"OTOH if you are right then when you die you won't remember anything you said or did since there will be no "you" to remember and it will practically be no different if you had never been born at all."</i><br /><br />Now you are beginning to understand the reality of life. You get one shot at it, this life, right now. Don't waste one moment of it imagining an afterlife. You get one at life. Live well, do good for goodness sake alone.<br /><br />CheersPapalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-36233493860165355522013-04-25T22:41:07.955-07:002013-04-25T22:41:07.955-07:00@Paps
>Ben, Papalinton is an atheist following ...@Paps<br />>Ben, Papalinton is an atheist following 30 years as a Bible waving Christian. You are correct; he ain't gonna change back to filling his life with ghosts, superstition, and exorcisms. I don't want to be 'born again'. I don't want to revert back into being a child again.<br /><br />I reply: I wouldn't know anything about that since I have always been a Catholic a member of the Church Jesus founded so I have always viewed such an inferior fundamentalist Christianity as you once believed as false anyway.<br />Even if I believed some individual fundamentalist Protestant Christians where good Godly people.<br /><br />OTOH your Atheism is in quality no different then your former Christianity. It is inferior and fundamentalistic. Where as you once held Sola Scriptura and Perspicuity unexamined & threw mindless fideism you have replaced it with a Positivist anti-philosophy fundamentalism you also hold mindlessly, unexamined & threw fideism.<br /><br />Where is the improvement? I see none?<br /><br />>Re-read it and then follow the commentary section. Boy, do the commenters give Wallace a real grilling about the secrecy nonsense of this apparently new Markan papyri scrap that is going to 'blow away all skepticism about scripture'.<br />Bit of a joke really.<br /><br />I did read it before posting it. So what? Even if we grant for argument's finding a fragment of the Gospel of Mark that is from the first century has no significance if you had bothered to read the Anglican I cited who reviewed the debate.<br /><br />see hear:<br />http://yucekabakci.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/my-take-on-the-debate-between-bart-ehrman-and-daniel-wallace/<br /><br />You would have gotten a more objective analysis since he is clearly not a fundamentalist or Evangelical & being an Anglican can show the weaknesses of Wallace because of his lack of Catholicity while at the same time testifying Bart didn't bring his A Game and Wallace was more scholarly.<br /><br />But then again being a man with a Fundamentalist mentality it doesn't surprise me you only read the links by Wallace and not the Anglican.<br /><br />Sad. To quote Yoda "That is why you fail".<br /><br />Paps there is no point to you & if you are right you waste your time debating Christian & or Theists of any stripe since this life is all you get and you can't reclaim any second lost reading my response to you. <br /><br />OTOH if you are right then when you die you won't remember anything you said or did since there will be no "you" to remember and it will practically be no different if you had never been born at all.<br /><br />Have fun with that.<br /><br />PS all this and you can't read any philosophy? Geez duller is challenging me over at Feser's blog on the Trinity. His objections are way more informed and sophisticated then any of the shit either IM or you have inflicted on me.<br />What is wrong with you.<br />Son of Ya'Kovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645132954231868592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-83668298241118760042013-04-25T20:01:28.480-07:002013-04-25T20:01:28.480-07:00Bob
Thanks.
I get the drift now.
But it's no...Bob<br /><br />Thanks.<br />I get the drift now.<br /><br />But it's no more wishful thinking, and a deal more in touch with reality than the silly superstitious notion of spirits, nephilim, seraphim, angels, devils, gods, satans and other things that go bump in the night, is it?<br /><br />Australia has its war heroes too, the greatest number of soldiers per capita having won the Victoria Cross of any country that awards this medal, the highest bravery award one can earn on the battle field. I respect them tremendously and they have my undying gratitude. But that respect is not idolatrous redolent of wiping or licking one's boots. That is simply demeaning.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-58393744090853787112013-04-25T19:39:13.621-07:002013-04-25T19:39:13.621-07:00"So, what's the relevance or meaning of t..."<i>So, what's the relevance or meaning of the Trustcott quote in regard to me?</i>"<br /><br />The relevance should be screamingly obvious to you. If it is truly not, then I would be forced to agree with Hyper's opinion of you. But I'll explain in detail:<br /><br /><b>1.</b> You write, "[Hyper] simply cannot abide the fact of being so badly roasted on previous occasions."<br /><br /><b>2.</b> You also write, "Apologists are desperate and fraught with anxiety as their tenuous grip on biblical historicity slips from their grasp."<br /><br /><b>3.</b> And there is this, "POW! Shot down in flames." <br /><br />(And many, many, many more...)<br /><br /><b>4.</b> All of the above are examples of what Truscott was referring to. You are allowing your <b>wishes</b> (i.e., your desire to actually win an argument) to father your <b>thoughts</b> (i.e., your mistaken belief that you have ever actually done so).<br /><br />And as a bonus, here's <b>5.</b> Your idea that you, or I, or anyone our age (or younger) today can even conceive of themselves as being on the same level as those who endured the Blitz, liberated the camps, and expunged the world of the greatest evil it has ever seen, is ludicrous. To label any such a person as a "military aficionado" is at worst offensive, and at best spectacularly naive.B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-42132883919915476132013-04-25T18:36:28.316-07:002013-04-25T18:36:28.316-07:00Hyperentity comes onto the scene and what is his f...Hyperentity comes onto the scene and what is his first cooment?<br /><br /><i>" Personally, I now think Paps is a troll. It's really not possible for a normal person to be that stupid. I suggest people go back to ignoring him."</i><br /><br />This is tantamount to a drive-by shooting. Drive-by shootings are not accepted behaviour in society. And their blogsite analogue should also not be tolerated, Victor.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-86429923685662489392013-04-25T18:24:57.223-07:002013-04-25T18:24:57.223-07:00So, what's the relevance or meaning of the Tru...So, what's the relevance or meaning of the Trustcott quote in regard to me?<br /><br />Your years in the military and DD is of no relevance to and has no bearing on my comment that you quote.<br /><br />I am very sorry to read your last paragraph. To write such a low opinion of yourself is indeed a sad indictment. No person merits such idolatrous kowtowing, whoever they may be, even the Queen Elizabeth, Australia's head of state.<br /><br />For my part I think you are a tremendously decent and good person, even despite all the differences we have about how we see the world. Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1495263465423716082013-04-25T17:18:15.356-07:002013-04-25T17:18:15.356-07:00"So Bob should think considerately and pruden..."<i>So Bob should think considerately and prudently about the relevance of quoting a military aficionado</i>"<br /><br />What is this guy smoking? does he not know that I am a US Army veteran? That I worked as a civilian in the <b>Defense Department</b> for 34 years?<br /><br />And by the way, there was zero smearing of anyone's character, Paps. I was pointing out that your comments about having bested others in argument are nothing more than wishful thinking. Read the quote again.<br /><br />And another by the way, Lucian Truscott was ten times the man that you and I would make up together - at least. I'm not worthy to shine his boot, and I doubt you would be either.B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-43934467073841074782013-04-25T17:08:50.007-07:002013-04-25T17:08:50.007-07:00""We had allowed our wishes to father ou..."<i>"We had allowed our wishes to father our thoughts, a dangerous practice in war." (Lt. General L.K. Truscott, Jr., Command Missions, A Personal Story, 1954, Page 117)."</i><br /><br />Lt. General L.K. Truscott, Jr was a christian. He was speaking from his religious worldview, which I might add embraces war a religiously justified.<br /><br />This atheist, PapaL eschews war of any kind as a means of resolving issues, even as a last resort. So Bob should think considerately and prudently about the relevance of quoting a military aficionado before implying a causal link to someone. That is called impugning someone's character for the sake of smear alone.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-13611223989192532472013-04-25T17:07:46.681-07:002013-04-25T17:07:46.681-07:00... and there's more!... and there's more!B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-41924511132698289282013-04-25T16:51:47.052-07:002013-04-25T16:51:47.052-07:00Ben
You put up this SITE of Wallace's as part...Ben<br />You put up this <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2012/02/wallace-vs-erhman-round-three/" rel="nofollow">SITE</a> of Wallace's as part of your tit-for-tat. Yes, it was one of the first sites I read. I pretty much go for original sources in the first instance, so your reference to his site is old news for me.<br /><br />Re-read it and then follow the commentary section. Boy, do the commenters give Wallace a real grilling about the secrecy nonsense of this apparently new Markan papyri scrap that is going to 'blow away all skepticism about scripture'.<br />Bit of a joke really.<br /><br />Ben, I read your second reference [http://danielbwallace.com/2012/05/01/the-bart-ehrman-blog-and-the-reliability-of-the-new-testament-text/]. Quite amusing, really. But the quality of the reporting is at about the same level as the blog writer's last paragraph. Indeed the last paragraph characterizes the rest of his observation, notebook notwithstanding:<br /><br />'P.S : And another thing I noticed. Does Bart Ehrman have an Einstein’s wardrobe syndrome? In all of his pictures, debates and interviews he has the exact same outfit… Does he have 20 pairs of the exact same thing that he wears over and over again just like Einstein? Now that would have been an awesome question to ask during the debate. Only had I thought of it before…"<br /><br />So in all, a comedy performance from the Apologist.<br /><br />Ben, Papalinton is an atheist following 30 years as a Bible waving Christian. You are correct; he ain't gonna change back to filling his life with ghosts, superstition, and exorcisms. I don't want to be 'born again'. I don't want to revert back into being a child again.<br />Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-47930726654846159892013-04-25T16:48:34.848-07:002013-04-25T16:48:34.848-07:00Here it comes...Here it comes...B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-47343634358247422262013-04-25T16:43:49.221-07:002013-04-25T16:43:49.221-07:00Hyper,
Had Paps ever read Truscott's Command ...Hyper,<br /><br />Had Paps ever read Truscott's <i>Command Missions</i> (a fine book, by the way), he would have come across the following:<br /><br /><b>"We had allowed our wishes to father our thoughts, a dangerous practice in war."</b> (Lt. General L.K. Truscott, Jr., Command Missions, A Personal Story, 1954, Page 117).<br /><br />'Nuff said!B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.com