tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post1842377673656482328..comments2024-03-28T12:34:14.649-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: A crime against AmericaVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-67713048693895472022018-07-28T10:44:30.508-07:002018-07-28T10:44:30.508-07:00Oops. Should have been "Not true" in the...Oops. Should have been "<b>Not true</b>" in the final paragraph.<br /><br />Damn, I even messed up the correction!Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-23080393440818944172018-07-28T10:42:10.881-07:002018-07-28T10:42:10.881-07:00And while some Americans were unfairly labeled com...And while some Americans were unfairly labeled communists during the McCarthy era, countless Democratic politicians and leaders in news and entertainment have called members of the Trump administration and the tens of millions of Americans who support the president fascists, white supremacists, haters, xenophobes and even Nazis. <b>They're called that because that's what they are.</b><br /><br />MSNBC contributor Jill Wine-Banks said of the Trump-Putin Helsinki press conference: "It's just as serious to me as the Cuban Missile Crisis in terms of an attack, or the 9/11 attack. ... (Trump's) performance today will live in infamy as much as the Pearl Harbor attack or Kristallnacht." <b>Truer words were never spoken</b><br /><br />Former communist, Obama operative and CIA Director John Brennan tweeted: "Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous." <b>If Helsinki wasn't treasonous, then the word has no meaning</b><br /><br />The constant invoking of the Holocaust, the Nazis and now Kristallnacht (the unofficial beginning of the Holocaust, a night in 1938 when German Jews were beaten to death, synagogues were burned and Jewish shops were destroyed) only minimizes the evils of Nazism and the Holocaust. A young American who, having gone to a typical university, probably knows nothing about the Nazis and the Holocaust will now think Nazism and the Holocaust were 20th-century expressions of Trump and American conservatism. <b>It minimizes nothing. What is <i>does</i> do is call attention to how deadly perilous our current situation is. What, you think "it can't happen here"?</b><br /><br />All this hysteria is built on next to nothing. <b>Wow, you just plain haven't been listening.</b> At its core, it is an attempt to undo the 2016 election. The mainstream media refuse to accept that Hillary Clinton lost. <b>Not ture. They don't deny Trump's victory - they mourn it. As should all Americans.</b> They said she would win -- handily. <b>That they did.</b> They predicted a landslide. How could they have possibly gotten it so wrong? <b>They "got it wrong" by underestimating the woeful extent of racist, know-nothing xenophobia in Middle America.</b> Their answer is they didn't; Trump and Putin stole it. <b>And what is preventing both things from being true?</b>Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-88817493019903166352018-07-28T10:21:26.438-07:002018-07-28T10:21:26.438-07:00Radio talk show host and Jewish media personality ...Radio talk show host and Jewish media personality and author Dennis Prager writes: "Most in the media were highly critical of McCarthy. Today, the mainstream media are not the voices of caution. They are the creators of the hysteria.<br /><br />There have been conspiracy theories throughout American history (e.g. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill President John F. Kennedy alone; the moon landing never happened). But this is the first time the media have created and promoted a conspiracy. Not surprisingly, they have dropped any pretense of objective reporting in the process.<br /><br />And while some Americans were unfairly labeled communists during the McCarthy era, countless Democratic politicians and leaders in news and entertainment have called members of the Trump administration and the tens of millions of Americans who support the president fascists, white supremacists, haters, xenophobes and even Nazis.<br /><br />MSNBC contributor Jill Wine-Banks said of the Trump-Putin Helsinki press conference: "It's just as serious to me as the Cuban Missile Crisis in terms of an attack, or the 9/11 attack. ... (Trump's) performance today will live in infamy as much as the Pearl Harbor attack or Kristallnacht."<br /><br />Former communist, Obama operative and CIA Director John Brennan tweeted: "Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous."<br /><br />The constant invoking of the Holocaust, the Nazis and now Kristallnacht (the unofficial beginning of the Holocaust, a night in 1938 when German Jews were beaten to death, synagogues were burned and Jewish shops were destroyed) only minimizes the evils of Nazism and the Holocaust. A young American who, having gone to a typical university, probably knows nothing about the Nazis and the Holocaust will now think Nazism and the Holocaust were 20th-century expressions of Trump and American conservatism.<br /><br />All this hysteria is built on next to nothing. At its core, it is an attempt to undo the 2016 election. The mainstream media refuse to accept that Hillary Clinton lost. They said she would win -- handily. They predicted a landslide. How could they have possibly gotten it so wrong? Their answer is they didn't; Trump and Putin stole it.<br /><br />If truth mattered to the media, their ongoing narrative would be: "Democrats and the left still do not accept Trump's victory." https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/07/24/the_greatest_hysteria_in_american_history_137612.htmlNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09991410496107221875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-47821385104700209072018-07-26T05:50:56.894-07:002018-07-26T05:50:56.894-07:00I know, but once typed, I was too lazy to move it....I know, but once typed, I was too lazy to move it.Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-52227172541245606022018-07-25T19:30:15.943-07:002018-07-25T19:30:15.943-07:00Starhopper, fyi, you replied to a comment from the...Starhopper, fyi, you replied to a comment from the more recent thread...World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-33604031477329156332018-07-25T18:57:09.683-07:002018-07-25T18:57:09.683-07:00"Modern successful economies are all mostly C..."<i>Modern successful economies are all mostly Capitalist with various levels of government involvement.</i>"<br /><br />There are no capitalist economies in the contemporary world, unless you bend the definition of "capitalism" to the point where it is no longer a meaningful term.Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-39474672238219322092018-07-25T15:16:40.649-07:002018-07-25T15:16:40.649-07:00why is liberation doing evil?
It can be evil depe...<b>why is liberation doing evil?</b><br /><br />It can be evil depending on how one does it.<br /><br /><b>Nothing non Christian in state ownership of the means of production,</b><br /><br />Marxist theory and it's real world application is non-Christian as was pointed out in the articles I linked to.<br /><br /><b>you have been brain washed to accept wealth and privilege as goodness. Poor people stuggelingtoefree are automqticlaly wrong,</b><br /><br />This outburst is unrelated to anything I've posted. It's wrong to make things up.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-25978833442493465602018-07-25T12:48:07.341-07:002018-07-25T12:48:07.341-07:00Furerbach was right God is the mask of money. It&#...Furerbach was right God is the mask of money. It's easy for those down trodden by the injustice of poverty to start understanding God as a bad joke or propaganda designed to cover the privilege of the rich some Christina learn to associate money with God. <br />A certain view of God is the mask of money but that doesn't mean God is not real. it means the True God is not related to wealth and power.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-21284702741192604192018-07-25T12:41:29.575-07:002018-07-25T12:41:29.575-07:00Blogger bmiller said...
The question of the orthod...<br />Blogger bmiller said...<br />The question of the orthodoxy of Liberation Theology was settled long ago within the Catholic Church. It is never acceptable to do evil that good may come of it (Romans 3:8).<br /><br /><b>why is liberation doing evil?</b><br /><br /><br />People can do evil and actually do evil in the name of capitalism, but there is nothing necessarily non-Christian in the ownership of private property and individual industriousness and acheivement.<br /><br /><br /><b>Nothing non Christian in state ownership of the means of production,</b><br /><br /><b>you have been brain washed to accept wealth and privilege as goodness. Poor people stuggelingtoefree are automqticlaly wrong,</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-60380486894547692322018-07-25T10:02:09.325-07:002018-07-25T10:02:09.325-07:00The question of the orthodoxy of Liberation Theolo...The question of the orthodoxy of Liberation Theology was <a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19840806_theology-liberation_en.html" rel="nofollow">settled long ago</a> within the Catholic Church. It is never acceptable to do evil that good may come of it (Romans 3:8).<br /><br />People can do evil and actually do evil in the name of capitalism, but there is nothing necessarily non-Christian in the ownership of private property and individual industriousness and acheivement.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-80330595193894087532018-07-25T03:20:07.877-07:002018-07-25T03:20:07.877-07:00Dave,
'Twas a metaphor. I actually know very ...Dave,<br /><br />'Twas a metaphor. I actually know very little about sail ships (other than that they can be quite beautiful).Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-30074327987366210932018-07-25T00:45:10.207-07:002018-07-25T00:45:10.207-07:00Dave,
You said that "Socialism vs. Capitalism...Dave,<br />You said that "Socialism vs. Capitalism is also a worthy debate." and I wonder whether that's a genuine question. Because, a bit like Joe it seems, I don't think there's a debate to have about these as a whole. It's too broad.<br /><br />Almost nobody claims we should have the government control all the means of production, while even the most libertarian of libertarian would agree we need some public services.<br /><br />Therefore, the debates have to be about specifics.World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-67981959126980152442018-07-24T23:45:12.013-07:002018-07-24T23:45:12.013-07:00Liberation Theology was a short-lived movement in ...Liberation Theology was a short-lived movement in the Catholic Church that was defeated philosophically due to it's fundamental tie to Marxist thought which is antithetical to Christianity.<br /><br /><br /><b>A lot of Catholic thought is dedicated to advancing fascism; William F. Buckley and Pat Buchanan and people of that ilk. So of course they despise liberation of any kind because it would defang the power of those whom the serve. So of course they are hyper critical of it.<br /><br />Liberation theology was in it's prime from about 1960 to 1990s.It basically withered away when the Nicaraguan revolution was defeated at the ballot box 1990 (?) and the Salvadoran revolution reached a peace agreement and fighting stopped. The Soviet Union fell and liberation movements began drying up, Although the Zappatisa thing in southerner Mexico and some work in Guatemala extended it into the century.<br /><br />It is true that liberation movements need outside help to flourish. Not because they are started as big communist plots but because the lock on power is so tight (people get killed if they speak out) there has to be some hope of winning, <br /><br />Dismissing liberation theology as antithetical to Christianity and trying to imply that it was "beaten" intellectually is wrong headed and ignorant. If it was beaten it was beaten by killing people for supporting it. But I think it really died out when the political struggle ceased. You could say it won because they got peace settlements and democratic elections.<br /><br />Cutting little girls's heads off and putting them on polls to firefighter farmers and keep them in line is anti ethical to Christianity too,you agree? So why don't you say capitalism is theatrical to Christianity?<br /><br />Latin America was in a revolutionary situation in those years and liberation theology took the side of the poor. That means they could not afford to be so snobbish and reject their comrades in the struggle suck as Marxists, because it was a life and death struggle.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-68929616053214024132018-07-24T20:26:10.035-07:002018-07-24T20:26:10.035-07:00Starhopper,
"Debating the relative merits of...Starhopper,<br /><br />"Debating the relative merits of capitalism or socialism is rather like arguing over which type of sailship is best for international trade."<br /><br />I believe this is a subject worthy of debate, as I have had, for some reason, a recent interest in the topic of the design and manufacture of sail ships across the seas in the age of discovery (as well as the economics that paid for them). Please tell why you don't think one type of ship is better than another. Socialism vs. Capitalism is also a worthy debate.<br /><br />Unless you are using this as a metaphor, than forgive me for taking you literal.David Duffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01222419875209542723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-56839697376625314922018-07-24T20:03:56.522-07:002018-07-24T20:03:56.522-07:00bmiller said...
"But there sure seem to be a...bmiller said...<br /><br />"But there sure seem to be a lot of people defending the sailship of socialism here."<br /><br />You're confusing people pointing out that you said something stupid with people defending socialism. World of Factshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11066732051794158264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-80819800849206645582018-07-24T19:36:33.042-07:002018-07-24T19:36:33.042-07:00@Joe,
More evidence that the testament is not tru...@Joe,<br /><br /><b>More evidence that the testament is not true socialism is not always Simmental Christianity</b><br /><br />I'm usually able to figure out what you're saying, but I looked up Simmental and although I'm sure you don't mean cows I can't figure this one out.<br /><br />Liberation Theology was a short-lived movement in the Catholic Church that was defeated philosophically due to it's fundamental tie to Marxist thought which is antithetical to Christianity.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-17503220460901595802018-07-24T19:20:33.173-07:002018-07-24T19:20:33.173-07:00Debating the relative merits of capitalism or soci...<b>Debating the relative merits of capitalism or socialism is rather like arguing over which type of sailship is best for international trade.</b><br /><br />You could have made that point on the thread <i>Socialism is not a sexually transmitted disease</i>. But there sure seem to be a lot of people defending the sailship of socialism here.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-28095569304696389562018-07-24T14:56:12.689-07:002018-07-24T14:56:12.689-07:00More evidence that the testament is not true socia...<br />More evidence that the testament is not true socialism is not always Simmental Christianity<br /><br /><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians_for_Socialism#Leaders" rel="nofollow"><b>Christians for socialism</b></a>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-75661486960927286052018-07-24T14:25:57.945-07:002018-07-24T14:25:57.945-07:00Starhopper said...
I am largely indifferent to the...Starhopper said...<br />I am largely indifferent to these debates over socialism vs capitalism. Both are 19th Century concepts that have little relevance to today's world. Marxism is deader than a doornail, but so is Adam Smith. We now have mega-giant multinational corporations and in our own country, nothing but colossal chain establishments in hotels, restaurants, grocery stores, hardware stores, book stores, etc., etc. Classical economics has no nomenclature that fits the current situation.<br /><br />If "Big Government" is synonymous with socialism, then in many very specific areas, I will gladly call myself a socialist. There are some problems that only massive governmental involvement has any hope of solving (e.g., climate change, epidemics, national defense, infrastructure, urban renewal, and space exploration, just for starters). <br /><br />On the other hand, I love to "shop locally" and prefer one-off businesses to chains. When I travel, I often stay at B and B's rather than chain motels. I almost never eat at a chain restaurant - maybe once per year at most. I'll get my produce at the farmers' market whenever possible. That's the very opposite of "socialism".<br /><br />Debating the relative merits of capitalism or socialism is rather like arguing over which type of sailship is best for international trade.<br /><br /><br /><b>thank you</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-90695456809067914172018-07-24T14:24:09.395-07:002018-07-24T14:24:09.395-07:00sorry I meant to say"stupid." I get flus...sorry I meant to say"stupid." I get flustered and make mistakes when I'm appalled. Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-91136254554067912042018-07-24T14:21:46.725-07:002018-07-24T14:21:46.725-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-25306687444175179952018-07-24T14:14:51.829-07:002018-07-24T14:14:51.829-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-68155673334688099612018-07-24T13:06:54.721-07:002018-07-24T13:06:54.721-07:00I am largely indifferent to these debates over soc...I am largely indifferent to these debates over socialism vs capitalism. Both are 19th Century concepts that have little relevance to today's world. Marxism is deader than a doornail, but so is Adam Smith. We now have mega-giant multinational corporations and in our own country, nothing but colossal chain establishments in hotels, restaurants, grocery stores, hardware stores, book stores, etc., etc. Classical economics has no nomenclature that fits the current situation.<br /><br />If "Big Government" is synonymous with socialism, then in many very specific areas, I will gladly call myself a socialist. There are some problems that only massive governmental involvement has any hope of solving (e.g., climate change, epidemics, national defense, infrastructure, urban renewal, and space exploration, just for starters). <br /><br />On the other hand, I love to "shop locally" and prefer one-off businesses to chains. When I travel, I often stay at B and B's rather than chain motels. I almost never eat at a chain restaurant - maybe once per year at most. I'll get my produce at the farmers' market whenever possible. That's the very opposite of "socialism".<br /><br />Debating the relative merits of capitalism or socialism is rather like arguing over which type of sailship is best for international trade.Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-86093772384425135182018-07-24T12:55:25.274-07:002018-07-24T12:55:25.274-07:00I think if I was getting the support of the Unfrie...I think if I was getting the support of the Unfriendly Atheist, I'd wonder what I was doing wrong. The man goes out of his way to attack Christianity every chance he gets, so to suddenly approve of a version of it would be highly suspect.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593005679430527458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-34878741170357834082018-07-24T11:57:28.230-07:002018-07-24T11:57:28.230-07:00The older Catholic Encyclopedia on Socialism
A lo...<a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14062a.htm" rel="nofollow">The older Catholic Encyclopedia on Socialism</a><br /><br />A long article, but explores the history and background first:<br />"But, in order to understand fully what Socialism is and what it implies, it is necessary first to glance at the history of the movement, then to examine its philosophical and religious tendencies, and finally to consider how far these may be, and actually have proved to be, incompatible with Christian thought and life. "bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.com