tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post1827207054206914727..comments2024-03-27T15:34:14.749-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: Should Russian interference have been investigated? Why in the the world not? Victor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger204125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-31722153412037042462019-08-22T13:09:09.281-07:002019-08-22T13:09:09.281-07:00Legion of Logic said...
I know, I know. I see a vi...Legion of Logic said...<br /><i>I know, I know. I see a video of Antifa members calling black police officers things like "race traitor" and "coon", and I come to the invalid conclusion that Antifa members called black police officers things like "race traitor" and "coon". </i><br /><br />Is this supposed to be hard to believe for some reason?One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-51806440069401277832019-08-22T13:06:35.421-07:002019-08-22T13:06:35.421-07:00Legion of Logic said...
Just a hypothetical, of co...Legion of Logic said...<br /><i>Just a hypothetical, of course, but let's say someone from, oh, Antifa, was to call black Portland police officers "Uncle Tom", "race traitors", and "coons". Everyone agrees this is racist, correct?</i><br /><br />Certainly the last one is.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-56437337410645122762019-08-20T08:32:25.630-07:002019-08-20T08:32:25.630-07:00I know, I know. I see a video of Antifa members ca...<b>I know, I know. I see a video of Antifa members calling black police officers things like "race traitor" and "coon", and I come to the invalid conclusion that Antifa members called black police officers things like "race traitor" and "coon". I am ashamed for my inability to think these things through. </b><br /><br />It obviously didn't happen. I didn't hear a thing about it on NPR.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-17777172307828178202019-08-19T21:20:03.268-07:002019-08-19T21:20:03.268-07:00I know, I know. I see a video of Antifa members c...I know, I know. I see a video of Antifa members calling black police officers things like "race traitor" and "coon", and I come to the invalid conclusion that Antifa members called black police officers things like "race traitor" and "coon". I am ashamed for my inability to think these things through. <br /><br />Snopes will rate that article as "false", as they will say Trump has never done anything good in his life, ever. How can someone who is LITERALLY HITLER do anything good? Only Antifa does good things.<br /><br />Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593005679430527458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-9224532421021250612019-08-19T19:37:12.253-07:002019-08-19T19:37:12.253-07:00Very Stable Genius, or Literally Hitler?
The Trut...Very Stable Genius, or Literally Hitler?<br /><br /><a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/scarred-disfigured-trump-flips-coin-to-see-if-hes-gonna-do-something-good-today-or-do-something-totally-insane" rel="nofollow">The Truth!</a>bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-65041907153402576322019-08-19T18:46:31.874-07:002019-08-19T18:46:31.874-07:00Where do you come up with such wild ideas? How co...Where do you come up with such wild ideas? How could anyone take that seriously?bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-66650618847994176862019-08-19T17:34:21.972-07:002019-08-19T17:34:21.972-07:00Just a hypothetical, of course, but let's say ...Just a hypothetical, of course, but let's say someone from, oh, Antifa, was to call black Portland police officers "Uncle Tom", "race traitors", and "coons". Everyone agrees this is racist, correct?Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593005679430527458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-39685569899276614642019-08-16T16:59:06.284-07:002019-08-16T16:59:06.284-07:00Guy who took the suitcase is a thief.Guy who took the suitcase is a thief.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-88111023422119791452019-08-16T04:37:08.074-07:002019-08-16T04:37:08.074-07:00SteveK said...
The question of intent is always re...SteveK said...<br /><i>The question of intent is always relevant. That’s my only point.</i><br /><br />Fair enough. My point is we can apply a label based on behavior without needing to know intent.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-54917815309691876602019-08-15T16:38:57.882-07:002019-08-15T16:38:57.882-07:00The question of intent is always relevant. That’s ...The question of intent is always relevant. That’s my only point.SteveKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497892283006396471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-62530722201751864922019-08-15T04:50:14.271-07:002019-08-15T04:50:14.271-07:00SteveK said...
The question of intent is always re...SteveK said...<br /><i>The question of intent is always relevant. The intent of the response is just as relevant as the intent of the first action. <br /><br />Maybe the person returned the suitcase unopened because they could see they were gonna get caught and couldn't risk that, or maybe they stole too many suitcases and yours wouldn't fit into the getaway car. </i><br /><br />Notice how, once a again, you talked about how intent affects the same behavior, and then changed the behavior to demonstrate?One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-43186261756708140152019-08-14T17:24:59.715-07:002019-08-14T17:24:59.715-07:00>> "how much does it matter to you if i...>> "how much does it matter to you if it was deliberate or by accident?"<br /><br />The question of intent is always relevant. The intent of the response is just as relevant as the intent of the first action. <br /><br />Maybe the person returned the suitcase unopened because they could see they were gonna get caught and couldn't risk that, or maybe they stole too many suitcases and yours wouldn't fit into the getaway car. You assume it was taken by accident, but why would you think that? If you look only at behavior then accidents look identical to deliberate actions and racists look identical to people with other motives that have nothing to do with race.SteveKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497892283006396471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-5171062234371763702019-08-14T07:42:56.998-07:002019-08-14T07:42:56.998-07:00SteveK said...
>> "If the person is apo...SteveK said...<br /><i>>> "If the person is apologizing and is returning my suitcase without having opened it, do I really know or care why they grabbed it?"<br /><br />I have no idea. I'm only interested in showing that you agree intentions should be considered.</i><br /><br />That's why I asked that question. Answer it for you. If a person grabbed your suitcase, but is returning it unopened and apologizing to you for taking it, how much does it matter to you if it was deliberate or by accident?One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-12990887368351374252019-08-12T08:17:05.177-07:002019-08-12T08:17:05.177-07:00>> "If the person is apologizing and is...>> "If the person is apologizing and is returning my suitcase without having opened it, do I really know or care why they grabbed it?"<br /><br />I have no idea. I'm only interested in showing that you agree intentions should be considered. SteveKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497892283006396471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-2673327468048363012019-08-12T05:43:12.424-07:002019-08-12T05:43:12.424-07:00bmiller said...
So looks like even though Epstein ...bmiller said...<br /><i>So looks like even though Epstein is gone, the investigations will roll on.</i><br /><br />Good news there.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-91683258134817804202019-08-12T05:42:20.930-07:002019-08-12T05:42:20.930-07:00bmiller said...
OK. 2 Theories:
1) Epstein knew h...bmiller said...<br /><i>OK. 2 Theories:<br /><br />1) Epstein knew he wouldn't last in prison with his crimes. He had money. He bribed the guards to look away so he could hang himself. He knew how to do it with the least amount of fuss. Peds often commit suicide so they won't have to meet up with the general prison population. So it actually was suicide.<br /><br />2) Feds knew that people wanted Epstein dead. Didn't they try to get him once already? They need him to spill the beans on all those rich and powerful people. So they fake a suicide and wheel him out to a different undisclosed facility. Those pictures leaked of him on a gurney? Faked. You can tell by comparing the ear from other photos available online.<br /><br />Which one is it?</i><br /><br />How about 3) prisons are inhumane, the guards think of the prisoners as scum, and no one needed to be paid off to allow Epstein to die?One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-22365212999034804932019-08-12T05:35:21.543-07:002019-08-12T05:35:21.543-07:00https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/116025866087174...https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1160258660871749632<br /><br />https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1160184923682045952<br /><br />People dying while under observation is not that unusual.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-24324219336385677192019-08-12T05:29:40.431-07:002019-08-12T05:29:40.431-07:00Starhopper said...
As a rule, I shrink from conspi...Starhopper said...<br /><i>As a rule, I shrink from conspiracy theories as from a hot stove, but this "suicide" stinks to high heaven. There's no need to connect any dots - they're already in direct contact with each other!<br /><br />Just ask yourself two questions:<br /><br />1. Who does Epstein's death benefit? and<br />2. Who had access to his cell, and could make this happen?</i><br /><br />How about this question: how often do we see wealthy people who, upon losing everything, commit suicide? It seems to happen regularly. This was even the second attempt (do you think the supposed assassins bungled the first?).One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-76498906661587622142019-08-12T05:26:38.112-07:002019-08-12T05:26:38.112-07:00bmiller said...
It seems we have someone claiming ...bmiller said...<br /><i>It seems we have someone claiming that they prompted Trump to pick a fight with Elijah Cummings. Jack Brewer.<br /><br />Is he racist or not racist?</i><br /><br />Does what he said sound like what the President tweeted, to you?<br /><br />How much control does any US Representative have over the conditions in their district?One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-7998458205164155152019-08-12T05:23:41.861-07:002019-08-12T05:23:41.861-07:00SteveK said...
You're now saying intentions ar...SteveK said...<br /><i>You're now saying intentions are something that needs to be considered. That's not what you said above. The difference in behavior is the result of their intentions.</i><br /><br />If the person is apologizing and is returning my suitcase without having opened it, do I really know or care why they grabbed it?One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-33131807171302420802019-08-12T05:21:53.092-07:002019-08-12T05:21:53.092-07:00Legion of Logic said...
If you commit racist acts...Legion of Logic said...<br /><br /><i>If you commit racist acts or say racist things, you are a racist, right? Why should you not be condemned for being a racist? I know the answer, since motivation is key, but do you?</i><br /><br />You keep using words like 'accuse' and 'condemn'. I don't find it to be an accusation to have someone point out when I say something racist, I find it to be a teachable moment. I listen, learn, and try to change.<br /><br /><i>You've proven my point that by not drawing a line where being labeled a racist is meaningful, you've made the label of racist meaningless.</i><br /><br />Except, I have drawn a line. My line is where my actions, or those of others, affect people. You may disagree with that line, but that doesn't erase it.<br /><br /><i>Rather than hiding or trying to silence opposing views, some of us prefer engaging and trying to educate others when they are doing harmful things. That's why I spend so much time talking to progressives!</i><br /><br />Right, as long as the vocabulary suits you.<br /><br /><i>Being labeled a racist is a very negative thing. It can impact multiple aspects of one's life. </i><br /><br />Nonsense. I saw GWB and Obama both labeled racists by various people, and it had little impact on their lives. In fact, unless you are determined to display your racism, any consequences suffered tend to be short-term.<br /><br /><i>So for such an accusation to be made based on someone having implicit bias or saying something out of ignorance, the accuser is worse than the accused at that point. Seems to me I'm treating racism the same as anything else - actually discerning when something rises to the level of racism, and then discerning whether that something is actually worthy of societal backlash.</i><br /><br />I am making the same determinations, except I am using the observable behavior, as opposed to the unknowable motivations, to make them.<br /><br /><i>Joe Biden has the opportunity to be the healthiest man alive, then. By valuing truth over facts, he decided that poor kids are just as smart as white kids!</i><br /><br />Biden's best days are behind him. He seems to be showing signs of declining mental ability. I really hope the Democrats can put up someone better.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-88158064541644809512019-08-12T05:21:37.008-07:002019-08-12T05:21:37.008-07:00Legion of Logic said...
These were not students t...Legion of Logic said...<br /><br /><b>These were not students there to support, help, or participate; they were reporters. Did the Ryersonian have no black reporters to send, reporters who would have had a better perspective on the experiences and goals of the organization?</b><br /><br /><i>Skin color should not have mattered, period.</i><br /><br />You don't think a person's experiences have any effect on their understanding?<br /><br />At any rate, at least we agree the behavior was consistent with my description.<br /><br /><i>Treating people differently based on skin color is racist by definition.</i><br /><br />You seem to keep going back and forth on this.<br /><br /><i>Bob killed Jim. Bob should be thrown in prison and the key tossed away, right? Oh wait, Jim attempted to kidnap Bob's daughter, and Bob stopped Jim and killed him in the process. Do we judge Bob on his actions, or his actions plus his motivations? If the former, that is horrific.</i><br /><br />You think the action of killing a person, while that person is committing a felony, it identical to the action of killing a person while that person is not committing a crime?<br /><br />What if Bob really enjoyed killing Jim, and talked afterwards about how he had been waiting for an excuse to kill Jim, and how Bob didn't care about his daughter? Then, his motivation becomes not wanting to go to jail. So, do we send Bob to jail in that case?<br /><br /><i>Now you can try to say "Well Bob's action wasn't simply killing Jim, it was lethally stopping the kidnapping of his daughter". The same discernment can be applied to racist acts, or acts that are accused of being racist, such as opposing, say, affirmative action. </i><br /><br />Of course.<br /><br /><i>Both times Bob opposed affirmative action, but in only one of them does he deserve scorn.</i><br /><br />It's nice of you to try to protect Bob from scorn. I'm more worried about the kids who, regardless of Bob's motivations, find it more difficult to get into college because of the way Bob votes. How does not calling out Bob for his error help those kids?One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-16721388031784459112019-08-11T18:28:50.209-07:002019-08-11T18:28:50.209-07:00Epstein lawyers are hiring lawyers.
In a sign tha...<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/business/jeffrey-epstein-finances.html" rel="nofollow">Epstein lawyers are hiring lawyers.</a><br /><br /><i>In a sign that the attorneys are bracing for government scrutiny of Mr. Epstein’s companies, Mr. Indyke and Mr. Schantz both recently hired criminal defense lawyers.</i><br /><br />So looks like even though Epstein is gone, the investigations will roll on.<br /><br />bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-82867852646820300382019-08-10T20:12:28.089-07:002019-08-10T20:12:28.089-07:00OK. 2 Theories:
1) Epstein knew he wouldn't ...OK. 2 Theories:<br /><br />1) Epstein knew he wouldn't last in prison with his crimes. He had money. He bribed the guards to look away so he could hang himself. He knew how to do it with the least amount of fuss. Peds often commit suicide so they won't have to meet up with the general prison population. So it actually was suicide.<br /><br />2) Feds knew that people wanted Epstein dead. Didn't they try to get him once already? They need him to spill the beans on all those rich and powerful people. So they fake a suicide and wheel him out to a different undisclosed facility. Those pictures leaked of him on a gurney? Faked. You can tell by comparing the ear from other photos available online.<br /><br />Which one is it?bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-55618890867249329582019-08-10T16:16:00.952-07:002019-08-10T16:16:00.952-07:00Somehow Epstein was taken off suicide watch, despi...Somehow Epstein was taken off suicide watch, despite "attempting suicide" on July 23. The only way to get taken off suicide watch is for the prison's top psychologist to declare the inmate no longer in imminent danger of suicide. So <a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-wasnt-jeffrey-epstein-on-suicide-watch-when-he-died/ar-AAFCM5Q?ocid=spartanntp" rel="nofollow">six days</a> after a suicide attempt in prison, facing extremely hefty charges, and Epstein is declared to no longer be a suicide threat? <br /><br />Really? Methinks this is not a suicide, and suicide watch provided too much observation, aka witnesses. Regular cells do not.<br /><br /><br /><i>The murder of Epstein in his cell will be merely one of a laundry list of felony charges against the Trump criminal cartel.</i><br /><br />I suspect it's as naïve to believe this has anything to do with Trump or his administration as it is to believe Epstein killed himself. But whether it was Trump or whether it was another prominent name, hopefully Epstein's death won't prevent the downfall of those who used his "services" as well as those who were behind his death.<br /><br />On an aside, <br /><br /><i>once the next (Democratic) administration is in, after Jan 2021</i><br /><br />I've suspected our presidential pendulum would continue to swing further out of control after Obama was elected, so I suppose one of the unhinged nutjobs running for office in 2020 is the perfect Democratic response to Trump.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593005679430527458noreply@blogger.com