tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post116555264389934293..comments2024-03-28T08:58:27.412-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: Comments by a Lewis fan and former student of John BeversluisVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1166591977937379382006-12-19T22:19:00.000-07:002006-12-19T22:19:00.000-07:00I e-mailed Kreeft a couple of years back to see if...I e-mailed Kreeft a couple of years back to see if he knew something I didn't about Bev. He really didn't and saw him as a skeptic himself.Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1166506628246200862006-12-18T22:37:00.000-07:002006-12-18T22:37:00.000-07:00I think the new edition will answer a lot of our q...I think the new edition will answer a lot of our questions about his own views. He comes across as a religious skeptic to me. I think the book served to improve Lewis scholarship in that it required people like us to take a skeptical viewpoint into consideration.Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1166451290170284232006-12-18T07:14:00.000-07:002006-12-18T07:14:00.000-07:00Considering how strongly he was flaming Ockhamism-...Considering how strongly he was flaming Ockhamism--frequently associated thematically with hardline Calvinism--I'd say odds were good that he was taking out some of his dissatisfaction with Calvinism on a handy target who shouldn't have been Ockhamist but (per Bev) turned out to be anyway.<BR/><BR/>That being said, I do believe Beversluis has a bit of a valid case for 'accidental Ockhamism', so to speak, at a couple of points. (I'm thinking of a place in TPoP.) If he polished and fine-tuned his argument better, he could make a real case for critiquing Lewis on a couple of points by appealing to stronger positions Lewis holds elsewhere (including elsewhere in TPoP, ironically. {s})<BR/><BR/>JRP<BR/><BR/>PS: nice to see you again, Tim! {g}Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1166278388321459022006-12-16T07:13:00.000-07:002006-12-16T07:13:00.000-07:00I'll just add that this is Beversluis's responsibi...I'll just add that <A HREF="http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jsku/memoir2.html" REL="nofollow">this</A> is Beversluis's responsibility. It is very sad and is not something I would want on my conscience. <BR/><BR/>If Beversluis was a Calvinist at the time, why is there no hint even of a Reformed Epistemological stance on questions of religious knowledge? I think RE is wholly inadequate, but it seems to me that if he was still a Christian at the time of writing Beversluis should have provided something in the way of an alternative. But perhaps Kreeft is just mistaken and Beversluis became an agnostic while writing the book.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15786874834919065011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1166277975078958262006-12-16T07:06:00.000-07:002006-12-16T07:06:00.000-07:00Whether Beversluis counts as an intemperate Lewis-...Whether Beversluis counts as an intemperate Lewis-basher or not, it certainly seems to me that he seriously overstated his case against Lewis. I reread the book this past spring, about 20 years after I first encountered it, and I was not terribly impressed. <BR/><BR/>Like many readers, I assumed that Beversluis was hostile to Christianity, though that sat oddly with the endorsement from William Alston on the cover of the 1985 edition. Imagine my surprise when I discovered <A HREF="http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0148.html" REL="nofollow">this piece by Peter Kreeft</A> that reveals Beversluis -- a highschool classmate of Kreeft's -- to have been, not an atheist or an agnostic, but a Calvinist! I'm saddened, but not surprised, to hear that he now describes himself as an agnostic.<BR/><BR/>If Beversluis is indeed revising the book, I hope he'll tone down the rhetoric and withdraw some of the bad criticisms and insupportable readings. If he wants to know where the original edition was least persuasive, I'm sure that Kreeft, Purtill (who reviewed it when it first came out and who has written his own book on Lewis's arguments), Vic and I would all be happy to provide input.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15786874834919065011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1165844424614148512006-12-11T06:40:00.000-07:002006-12-11T06:40:00.000-07:00Maybe he'll reference it a lot (or even be able to...Maybe he'll reference it a lot (or even be able to include it in an appendix) when he finishes his revised version.Jason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1165769154813183802006-12-10T09:45:00.000-07:002006-12-10T09:45:00.000-07:00I had myself been reading Beversluis as a hostile ...I had myself been reading Beversluis as a hostile critic until I read his essay, "Surprised by Freud," which is a critique of A. N. Wilson's biography. This is the reference to that review: <BR/><BR/>John Beversluis, "Surprised by Freud: A Critical Appraisal of A. N. Wilson's Biography of C. S. Lewis," Christianity and Literature, Vol. 41, No. 2 (1992), pp. 179-95. <BR/><BR/>I wish people who like Joshi and Cline who use Beversluis to support a hostile critique of Lewis would read his review of Wilson. In fact, I wish it were more readily available instead of being somewhere in the back shelves of your local academic library.Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.com