tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post8718719712634514068..comments2024-03-28T12:34:14.649-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: A Youtube Attack on my AFRVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-42709020893145139012011-12-04T09:19:57.125-07:002011-12-04T09:19:57.125-07:00Parbouj,
I don't give a shit, it's just t...Parbouj,<br /><br />I don't give a shit, it's just that it's been a slow weekend and I have a habit of feeding trolls when I grow bored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-39702849713728635202011-12-04T09:05:43.352-07:002011-12-04T09:05:43.352-07:00Karl if you give a shit he's already won.Karl if you give a shit he's already won.parboujhttp://parb.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-52512443119178927332011-12-03T20:22:22.043-07:002011-12-03T20:22:22.043-07:00Oh, this is too good. Hey Perezoso, if you are sti...Oh, this is too good. Hey Perezoso, if you are still watching you will notice that me and Bob posted responses to Papalinton at roughly the exact same time. Now even assuming we are the same person and typed out our responses on Word in advance it would have still taken more than a minute to copy-paste one response to the comment box, submit it, log out of one account, log into another account, copy-paste the second response and submit it. Ergo, we are two separate people working on two separate computers. So why don't you chew on that for a few seconds?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-14013506558096017552011-12-03T19:53:59.055-07:002011-12-03T19:53:59.055-07:00Hey Pap,
forgets governments are made of people w...Hey Pap,<br /><br /><i>forgets governments are made of people who were in the vast majority christians guided by their christian morality</i><br /><br />Oh, that hardly was the case in the Soviet Union and you know it. Also, sometimes a minority controls the government, such as in Syria were the ruling Alawite sect (which only makes up 10% of the population) has held the reigns of power for the last forty years. <br /><br /><i>Religion is increasingly becoming a lame duck...secularism and humanism are the significant drivers into humanity's growth and well-being into the future</i><br /><br />Than, why-oh-why, do atheists still only make up 2.3% of the world's population, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-Britannica_demographics-17" rel="nofollow">according to Encyclopedia Britannica</a>, and Christianity makes up close to a third of the world's population? In fact, why does most demographic information show the percentage of the world's population that is atheist not having increased to any degree in the last few decades? As this article in the <a href="http://spectator.org/archives/2011/02/28/thriving-christianity" rel="nofollow">American Spectator</a> states that 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day. All this, you know, despite atheists proclaiming continuously that the death of religion is just around the corner for the better part of the last two centuries? <br /><br /><i>Not only had it proven itself to be utterly incapable of invoking practical morality to stem the tide</i><br /><br />And this poses what challenge to a Christian? A central part of Christian theology is that Jesus came to this Earth and did what He did is because ordinary humans <i>are</i> incapable of doing that.<br /><br /><i>People in the Western world are now beginning to vote with their feet.</i><br /><br />Key word West. Take a look at South America, Africa and Asia and you are going to see a very different picture.<br /> <br /><i>that it is some kind of force for good in the world.</i><br /><br />Oh, you don't consider resistance to Hitler and trying to save Jewish lives a force of good? That's good to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-86948594061492602712011-12-03T19:53:34.556-07:002011-12-03T19:53:34.556-07:00"Religion is increasingly becoming a lame duc..."Religion is increasingly becoming a lame duck."<br /><br />What planet are you living on, Papalinton? Religion is <i>increasing</i> its influence daily. Catholicism is exploding in Africa and Asia. (In my lifetime, barring an untimely death, we will see more Christians in China than in North America.) Islam is certainly no "lame duck" in large swaths of the Earth. Hinduism is more practiced in India today than at any previous time in history. The vectors everywhere are up, up, up. Some lame duck!<br /><br />But forget the global scene. come to my church: St. Paul's in Ellicott City, Maryland. There you will find jam-packed services, dozens of activities weekly for every age, more outreach programs than I can count, a homeless shelter, a Feed the Hungry program, partnerships with less well off parishes (to include New Orleans reconstruction work) and many, many other efforts to bring physical and emotional relief to people who desperately need it. You'll see Real Christianity in action!B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-58310895981232837712011-12-03T19:27:10.083-07:002011-12-03T19:27:10.083-07:00Karl grant
I'm unclear why it is you refer th...Karl grant<br />I'm unclear why it is you refer the 'Confessing Church' Wiki site. All that is written there simply consolidates my argument of the uselessness of christian thought and morality, as if by some self-evident truth and providence, that it is some kind of force for good in the world. <br /><br />Hardly.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-52806208859199194802011-12-03T19:17:30.640-07:002011-12-03T19:17:30.640-07:00Karl Grant
"And the fact utterly lost on Pap ...Karl Grant<br />"And the fact utterly lost on Pap is that the governments responsible for these actions were overwhelmingly secular and in the case of the Soviet Union espoused national atheism."<br /><br />Not reliigion's fault - karl talking as if governments are conscious entities in their own right [it's all the government's fault]- forgets governments are made of people who were in the vast majority christians guided by their christian morality when making those government decisions - externalizing the responsibility - I rest my case. Childlike, unsophisticated, unmellowed.<br /><br />Religion is increasingly becoming a lame duck. Not only had it proven itself to be utterly incapable of invoking practical morality to stem the tide of 'unchristian' acts and sentiment prior to the great wars, it was complicit right up to its neck. Not only has the teachings of jesus been so bereft in guiding any action in mitigating if not avoiding these events, it has also been abstracted out of existence by indiscriminate and uncritical apologist interpretation and interpretation over the centuries, so neutered in fact, as to render it a meaningless and useless model of social reform, maintenance and well-being. Religion is generally trending towards dinosaur status and will eventually evolve into it's [the dinosaur's] closest relative extant, a chicken. <br /><br />People in the Western world are now beginning to vote with their feet. Pious wool can no longer be pulled over eyes. Secularism and humanism are the significant drivers into humanity's growth and well-being into the future, comprehensively underpinned by scientific understanding and investigation.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-568952558827557542011-12-03T18:02:13.744-07:002011-12-03T18:02:13.744-07:00"Any fans of the singularity, or who think th..."<i>Any fans of the singularity, or who think that minds can and will be simulated (along with worlds) will have to own up to what they are.<br /><br />Intelligent design proponents.</i>"<br /><br />The correct term is 'emulated'; but yes, that's exactly what they are.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-71684772560037890872011-12-03T17:44:17.763-07:002011-12-03T17:44:17.763-07:00Pap,
And utterly lost on Karl is the fact christi...Pap,<br /><br /><i>And utterly lost on Karl is the fact christianity was the overwhelmingly dominant religion in these regions, other than China and</i><br /><br />And the fact utterly lost on Pap is that the governments responsible for these actions were overwhelmingly secular and in the case of the Soviet Union espoused national atheism. So if the dominant religion in these areas shares some blame for these events so does the form of government. <br /><br /><i>their moral lessons from the church and their deeply embedded ethics proved utterly useless in preventing any of it.</i><br /><br />Really? Well, this is just another example of you not knowing history as you would have heard of things like the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessing_Church" rel="nofollow">Confessing Church.</a> And even if I grant you this it still doesn't change the fact that mainstream science aided, abetted and, in some cases, instigated those atrocities (eugenics springs to mind). And obviously you are not willing to forsake science for that. So why should I forsake my religious beliefs for similar things? <br /><br /><i>History tells us that religion is a catalyst for wars.</i><br /><br />No doubt, but old Comrade Mao marched his armies against Tibet's people and culture under the slogan 'Religion is Poison' so history also tells us that atheism has been a catalyst for war. So again I fail to see where you are offering any improvement in your belief system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-54124247602006838522011-12-03T17:14:49.657-07:002011-12-03T17:14:49.657-07:00Karl Grant
"History has repeatedly shown that...Karl Grant<br />"History has repeatedly shown that periods of rapid technological development usually coincide with major wars and large scale social upheavals. For example, the 20th Century was a period of rapid technological development and it also saw two world wars, the Holocaust, the Russian and Chinese Purges, the development of technology that could allow the human race to exterminate itself (some progress there), and a whole bunch of other nasty crap."<br /><br />And utterly lost on Karl is the fact christianity was the overwhelmingly dominant religion in these regions, other than China and Japan. The overwhelmingly dominant percentage of the populations where these conflicts occurred were followers of jesus, you know, christians. And yet, like sheep, and when it came to the crunch, their moral lessons from the church and their deeply embedded ethics proved utterly useless in preventing any of it. To talk of the power of jesus at a time of crisis is to talk mythological bunkum. There is no AFR for christianity. Every christian on this site will conveniently have a memory loss of the context of my argument as they attempt to externalize the problem and the responsibility to other factors. That in itself, is an admission of the gossamer nature of christian morality, and its non-existent impact as a redeeming social force. It proved useless in 1912-13 and it proved useless in 1938-39, it proved useless in Russia. <br /><br />Religion does not prevent wars, it aids and abets them, just as the scriptures say it. History tells us that religion is a catalyst for wars.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-23873446578799576892011-12-03T16:55:42.391-07:002011-12-03T16:55:42.391-07:00Any fans of the singularity, or who think that min...Any fans of the singularity, or who think that minds can and will be simulated (along with worlds) will have to own up to what they are.<br /><br />Intelligent design proponents.<br /><br />Among other things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-43809525730045022922011-12-03T16:42:36.240-07:002011-12-03T16:42:36.240-07:00Perezoso,
I have no idea who Byro Schizonius or B...Perezoso,<br /><br />I have no idea who Byro Schizonius or Brighamski is. But if anybody has a crack stash here it is you for confusing me with him. Now I did do a little research on you, <a href="http://secularoutpost.infidels.org/2009/06/brouhaha-over-on-dangerous-idea.html" rel="nofollow">for example,</a> <a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2009/03/lowder-on-logical-arguments-from-evil.html" rel="nofollow">you are one of only two people Dr. Reppert has ever banned from this blog</a> (and considering Dr. Reppert's very lax comments policy that is saying something). Yet you keep coming back, always insulting, always acting superior, always trying to play the victim. <br /><br />So you know what I think of that? I think you live a very pathetic and meaningless life. That coming on this blog, and others like, and demeaning other people is the only way that you can establish some small facsimile of self-worth, the only way that you can get other people to notice you. It is only in the internet you can act like this because in the real world you are nothing. <br /><br />And from what I have seen of your posts you are very much nothing here on the net also. Just another dime-a-dozen anonymous internet dumbass who imagines himself sophisticated but whose mental facilities would be hard pressed to organize a kegger in brewery. <br /><br />Now, do you have anything you are actually going to contribute to the discussion or are you just going to continue to be an insulting attention whore?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-9959678077907014812011-12-03T15:51:08.380-07:002011-12-03T15:51:08.380-07:00Anonymous internet bozo aka Byro Schizonius--you&...Anonymous internet bozo aka Byro Schizonius--you're the dumbass here, not having figured out what the AFR or Searle's little analogy implies. <br />Maybe get that chiropractor cert youve been working on for 20 years, Brighamski . And stay off philosophy blogs--you don't know a syllogism from yr crack stash.Perezosonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-48170113602761173232011-12-03T10:37:28.511-07:002011-12-03T10:37:28.511-07:00Perezoso,
note no writing/blogs with these phonie...Perezoso,<br /><br /><i>note no writing/blogs with these phonies</i><br /><br />That's kind of funny coming from an anonymous internet dumbass who doesn't provide any links to blogs or writings of his own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-61576243085674759642011-12-03T10:29:12.208-07:002011-12-03T10:29:12.208-07:00So Perezoso is a believer in
"I blog, theref...So Perezoso is a believer in <br />"I blog, therefore I am."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-24761504337616392322011-12-03T09:35:48.294-07:002011-12-03T09:35:48.294-07:00Talking to yrself again Byro Schizonius? (note no ...Talking to yrself again Byro Schizonius? (note no writing/blogs with these phonies, any real christians, or citizens for that matter) "Programmer". Heh . You mean ..t-shirt salesperson, leftist blog reg, and <a href="http://www.poetrywar.com/" rel="nofollow">queer poet </a> (this is the freak, Id. Trace it to Sac, and yll see)<br /> <br />You probably don't want AZ people finding out about you, do you perp. <br />Some nasty bidness with BabsPerezosonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-14347346142660301792011-12-03T09:21:18.876-07:002011-12-03T09:21:18.876-07:00Bob,
I am forever mystified by their eager antici...Bob,<br /><br /><i>I am forever mystified by their eager anticipation of said event,</i><br /><br />Me too. I know enough about history to know that technology changes but man's basic nature doesn't. The same things that happened 100, 500 or a 1000 years ago keep happening today. Technology has merely changed the details; horse thievery has become grand theft auto which isn't exactly my idea of progress. Why should the future be any different? <br /><br />And personally, I am bit perplexed by Pap talking about this glorious transhuman future while quoting papers that talk about the <i>military</i> applications of these technological developments. To my mind, the fact that defense contractors Lockheed Martin, agencies like DARPA, the US Navy, the Chinese People's Liberation Army etc.... are very interested this technology should be ringing alarm bells to people practically salivating over the prospect of the coming singularity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-81839209140598702292011-12-03T09:05:55.489-07:002011-12-03T09:05:55.489-07:00Idion, blogland's own dyslexic Roody Giuliani,...Idion, blogland's own dyslexic Roody Giuliani, returns<br /><br />Yeah the "Grant" troll's a joke and an impious fraud. You're a joke and a pious fraudAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-27936732129660119372011-12-03T08:10:04.697-07:002011-12-03T08:10:04.697-07:00VR quoting One Brow: "I don’t know of anyone ...<b>VR quoting One Brow:</b> "<i>I don’t know of anyone who says the computers we have today can reason.</i>"<br /><br />One Brow needs to get out more; and for that matter, his qualifier ("we have today") shows that he doesn't understand (or doesn't want to admit) the truth of the matter, which is that no computer will ever reason, no computer will ever be a self, a mind, and agent.<br /><br /><b>S.Carr:</b> "<i>Why can't your god make a computer that can reason?<br /><br />Is a computer that can reason logically impossible?</i>"<br /><br />As for Mr Carr? He's a joke; he's not interested in truth. Surely, everyone who frequents DI understand this about the man.<br /><br />But yes, God cannot make a computer that can reason because "a computer that can reason" is logically impossible; it's a category error and a contradiction in terms -- Mr Carr is demanding that God create an entity incapable of reasoning which nonetheless reasons.<br /><br /><b>K.Grant:</b> "<i>Maybe, I majored in computer science and in computer programming and many people in the field think that Strong AI (that is the correct term for a self-aware computer that is capable of reason) </i>is<i> impossible. There numerous barriers that need to be overcome before such software can be created ... And I can just imagine that the hardware requirements for such a machine would be immense, probably even requiring a quantum computer (which is also something we haven't been able to make yet).</i>"<br /><br />There will *never* be a computer that can reason; there will *never* be a computer that is a mind or self; there will *never* be a computer that is an agent. This impossibility isn't because some in the field understand the impossibility (while others refuse to understand it), but because of the nature of what computers are and what minds are -- categories errors don't vanish just because lots of people really, really, really want reality to be other than it is.<br /><br />No computer will ever be a mind, no computer will ever reason, because there is more to minds and more to reason than mere computation -- and for than matter, computers can't even compute; rather, the machines we call 'computers' are but symbol manipulating machines which <i>simulate</i> computation. Computers are motorized abacusses: just as an abacus does not compute, but rather the person using it does, so too, a computer does not compute, but rather the person(s) who designed it and the person(s) programming it do.<br /><br />And computation itself? That's <i>counting</i>, nothing more: all four arithmetic operations are simply counting. Abacusses don't count; minds count. Moving beads (whether real or virtual) from here to there may be used as an aid in counting, but such action is not itself counting.<br /><br />To assert that someday a computer will be built that can reason is to assert that computation is the entirety of reasoning. But, computation is not the entirety of reasoning ... and, worse (from the point of view of silly materialists), computers don't even *actually* compute, and never will be able to. It's rather a chicken-and-egg thing: to be able to compute, an entity must *already* be able to think/reason.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-211700153724139702011-12-03T08:03:03.902-07:002011-12-03T08:03:03.902-07:00"We all have visions to aspire to. At least m..."<i>We all have visions to aspire to. At least mine looks forward with excitement and anticipation.</i>"<br /><br />1) I'd never have seen this silly statement except that Karl Grant gave the only logically proper reasonse; to paraphrase: "And? you have a point?"<br /><br /><br />2) more importantly --<br /><br />This a but a variation on the "At least I ask questions" criticism, so belovéd of foolish atheists. In case the reader hasn't encountered it, I'll give a synopsis:<br /><br />Ye Olde Village Atheist With An Ethernet Cable issues a blistering condemnation of Christians based on the alleged fact that we think we (already) have all the answers, and his condemnation generally includes the proposition that it is impossible to know any truth. He triumphantly concludes, and simultaneously demonstrates the superiority of (his mind and of) atheism, by proclaiming: "At least I ask questions!" <br /><br />That is, to his post-modernly infected brain (that word is intentional), "asking questions" trumps "having answers" any day of the week; to put it another way, refusing to have the answers one doesn't wish to have makes one superior to those who do have those answers.<br /><br />Yet, <a href="http://iliocentrism.blogspot.com/2011/11/intellectual-curiousity.html" rel="nofollow">isn't the point of asking question</a> to get answers?Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-66019172283461793122011-12-03T07:50:58.430-07:002011-12-03T07:50:58.430-07:00Does Hell exist, Reppert?
Yll most likely be goin...Does Hell exist, Reppert?<br /><br />Yll most likely be going there for this blog, and the masonic/mafia frauds who post hereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-51697657599620825352011-12-03T07:46:56.065-07:002011-12-03T07:46:56.065-07:00Karl,
I actually know quite a number of people wh...Karl,<br /><br />I actually know quite a number of people who are practically salivating over the prospect of the coming "singularity" (when machines or cyborgs will replace humanity as the dominant intelligence on the planet). I am forever mystified by their eager anticipation of said event, because whenever I hear it described, it sound more like Hell than Heaven to me.<br /><br />In an interesting case of "Life imitates Art", their words in praise of this coming "Rapture of the Nerds" (love that term - thank you!) often seem to be lifted straight from the character Weston in Lewis's <i>Out of the Silent Planet</i>.B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-57529421595118872082011-12-03T07:20:01.797-07:002011-12-03T07:20:01.797-07:00"Grant/Prokop/Hoffman".
the LDS stalke..."Grant/Prokop/Hoffman".<br /><br /><br />the LDS stalker talking, or rather j-o with itself. No argument, nothing of substance, mere name dropping...wow Searle . How the masons workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-90227465800946899232011-12-03T07:12:04.604-07:002011-12-03T07:12:04.604-07:00the AFR may suggest..consciousness, and the unique...the AFR may suggest..consciousness, and the uniqueness of human thinking (ie intention), and the possible limits of materialism. It in no way suffices as a theological proof.01010101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-52645007929452661022011-12-03T06:39:23.183-07:002011-12-03T06:39:23.183-07:00Hey Pap,
We all have visions to aspire to. At lea...Hey Pap,<br /><br /><i>We all have visions to aspire to. At least mine looks forward with excitement and anticipation.</i><br /><br />And Christians don't look forward to their vision of the future with excitement and anticipation?<br /><br /><i>if you think you're going to escape that little Armageddon and slip into heaven</i><br /><br />And pray tell, what is your statements like <i>we mechanize our bodies which become the repositories of our consciousness</i>? Is that not your personal wish of escaping the end of the Earth or every man's fate, death? Pot, Kettle, Black and all that. (Though personally I like the idea of you living inside a computer, because as a programmer I can think of quite a few ways to screw with you there.)<br /><br /><i>the idea of transhumanism has not been lost on the military</i><br /><br />If you were actually smart that sentence alone would make you stop and think about looking at these developments with excitement and anticipation. History has repeatedly shown that periods of rapid technological development usually coincide with major wars and large scale social upheavals. For example, the 20th Century was a period of rapid technological development and it also saw two world wars, the Holocaust, the Russian and Chinese Purges, the development of technology that could allow the human race to exterminate itself (some progress there), and a whole bunch of other nasty crap.<br /><br />And considering how the development costs with this new technology are going to be immense, odds are good only the rich will be able to afford it. So unless you have a few million stashed away I suggest that your odds of looking down some Terminator's gun barrel or watching some new doomsday weapon detonating over Sydney or wherever it is you live down under are greater than you living in some idyllic little Matrix imitation in this vision of the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com