tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post7777794016789124039..comments2024-03-28T12:34:14.649-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: The Constitution and Doctrinal DevelopmentVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-43213999379416534682019-01-01T17:11:09.618-07:002019-01-01T17:11:09.618-07:00Correction to my Homoiousios/Homoousios post. I g...Correction to my Homoiousios/Homoousios post. I got them turned around when I referred to the first and second. The iota indicates similar substance.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-16829908753086409642019-01-01T15:14:20.539-07:002019-01-01T15:14:20.539-07:00Starhopper,
When Obama was president many people ...Starhopper,<br /><br />When Obama was president many people on the other political side felt the same way.<br />We didn't get here over night.<br /><br />Have you ever read Plato's Republic? All forms of government have inherent weaknesses and I'm afraid that our educational system has not done a good job of helping our citizens understand the weaknesses of our system and how to protect against those weaknesses. Our run has been over 200 years now and that's about average for democratic based systems.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-78617292202161546922019-01-01T15:07:58.008-07:002019-01-01T15:07:58.008-07:00As for liberal theology, what doctrinal developmen...<b>As for liberal theology, what doctrinal development was supposed to defend was such things as including the homoousion in the Nicene creed. Not exactly a liberal development. </b><br /><br />Well the Nicene Creed was composed to explicitly expose orthodox beliefs from the unorthodox by using that word. The Arians wanted the Creed to use the word Homoiousios rather than Homoousios. There was more than <br /><a href="https://xefer.com/2002/10/iota" rel="nofollow">one iota </a>of difference between the 2 words. According to the first, Christ was of the same substance of God the Father and the second would mean he was of a similar substance (a belief similar to the Jehovah Witnesses).<br /><br />Now it <b>would have been</b> a liberal development if the iota had been included.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-79888582991359024702019-01-01T15:07:26.363-07:002019-01-01T15:07:26.363-07:00"Maybe the experimental form of government se..."<i>Maybe the experimental form of government set up by the founders has proven a failure</i>"<br /><br />Considering that we now have Individual One as our current president, you may be right.Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-82973923737635146002019-01-01T14:50:06.998-07:002019-01-01T14:50:06.998-07:00Well if you believe that the system of government ...Well if you believe that the system of government established by the Constitution has stopped working, why even pretend that the Constitution has any relevance at all?<br /><br />The only reason for you to pretend that we should "follow the Constitution" is to fool the rubes who mistakenly think you are sincere.<br /><br />Maybe the experimental form of government set up by the founders has proven a failure and we should return to the Ancien RĂ©gime.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-42055390133878868232019-01-01T14:44:04.893-07:002019-01-01T14:44:04.893-07:00Actually we're one state away from getting the...Actually we're one state away from getting the Equal Rights Amendment ratified. On the other hand, the fact that we couldn't get that one ratified supports Starhopper's position as much as anything does. <br /><br />As for liberal theology, what doctrinal development was supposed to defend was such things as including the homoousion in the Nicene creed. Not exactly a liberal development. <br /><br />Newman had seven tests for true doctrinal development. <br /><br />http://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/chapter5.htmlVictor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-50930439116667832042019-01-01T14:16:01.973-07:002019-01-01T14:16:01.973-07:00Constitutional amendments are not what I was refer...Constitutional amendments are not what I was referring to. The actual, unaltered text needs to be continuously reinterpreted from year to year as circumstances change. It ain't Holy Writ, after all, but the work of men with an extremely outdated view of the world. They had no inkling that there would ever be anything like machine guns, the internet, radio frequency allocation, mobile phones, frequent flyer programs, and grocery store loyalty cards. And that's just for starters.<br /><br />And as to amendments in general, I firmly believe we have seen the last of them, possibly forever. There is no way on God's Green Earth that we'll ever get two thirds of both the house and senate plus 34 state legislatures to agree on <i>anything</i>. Ain't gonna happen.Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-73108591965968253852019-01-01T12:04:35.928-07:002019-01-01T12:04:35.928-07:00The Constitution ought to be regarded as a living ...<b>The Constitution ought to be regarded as a living document.</b><br /><br />That is precisely the view of the founders. They included provisions for amending the constitution and it's been done 17 times since the document was first ratified.<br /><br />For instance the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments abolished slavery and gave former slaves full rights of citizenship. Before these amendments it was legal to own slaves in certain states. Now no one can legally own slaves.<br /><br />bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-6769876983392652402019-01-01T05:37:34.348-07:002019-01-01T05:37:34.348-07:00I am a Catholic, and I have zero sympathy for stri...I am a Catholic, and I have zero sympathy for strict constructionists and even less for original intenters. I can find no justification for holding the entire nation hostage in perpetuity to the opinions of a non-representative and rather small group of long-dead men.<br /><br />The Constitution ought to be regarded as a living document.Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-29900796839705529012018-12-31T10:12:01.702-07:002018-12-31T10:12:01.702-07:00Your thesis seems more to support a linkage if the...Your thesis seems more to support a linkage if the approaches in liberal theology and liberal politics. Both are willing to jettison the author's meaning to discover something new and even contrary. oozzielionelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326968846352428451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-74635693508058545442018-12-27T19:38:12.042-07:002018-12-27T19:38:12.042-07:00Christological and Marian doctrines did not develo...Christological and Marian doctrines did not develop out of thin air. They were always believed, but the exact formulation had to be formally developed due to heretical groups claiming orthodoxy in the early Church.<br /><br />That's quite a bit different than the post Civil War amendments to the Constitution which eliminated a practice that had been tolerated and that granted citizenship to slaves who formally did not have it.<br /><br />It's a mistake to confound theology with government.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.com