tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post6960297011515070298..comments2024-03-28T12:34:14.649-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: Ed Feser on a certain style of atheist polemicsVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-14691197899206036872011-02-24T17:55:34.055-07:002011-02-24T17:55:34.055-07:00@BenYachov - I knew a pre-Vatican II priest who wa...@BenYachov - I knew a pre-Vatican II priest who was like that, 20 years ago. The experience made me skittish about thomism; which I'm only now starting to re-investigate, via Feser.<br /><br />@Vic - I suggest that you delete the comments that cross the line. Trolls learn quickly, and sometimes even become your best police, tattling on anyone who doesn't get punished for doing the same thing they got punished for.JSAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00681934865643964687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-42107649415568603622011-02-24T16:52:05.244-07:002011-02-24T16:52:05.244-07:00Victor,
My innocence was lost the day my very fav...Victor,<br /><br />My innocence was lost the day my very favorite Catholic Apologist at the time, went off the deep end. First it started with a weird belief that Geocentric Cosmology was still valid. That was bad enough but it ended with plagiarizing Neo-Nazi material in an article that attacked Jews by claiming the Talmud authorizes child rape and then there was the holocaust denial......<br /><br />Mother of God pray for us!<br /><br />I learned a valuable lesson from that. Truth takes care of itself and it doesn't really need us to hold it up. Setting up a ministry to preach what you believe is the truth is laudable but when it gets to the point when you delude yourself into thinking you are more important than the message.<br />That is the time to call it quits. It's also the time for others to stop enabling you. <br /><br />Take from this what you will.<br /><br />Cheers.BenYachovhttp://www.catholic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-4447147570817795372011-02-24T15:47:11.320-07:002011-02-24T15:47:11.320-07:00He has a tendency to make everything all about him...He has a tendency to make everything all about him. You make it worse when you make everything all about him.Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-88960629110574665612011-02-24T15:29:08.869-07:002011-02-24T15:29:08.869-07:00John has gone off the deep end.
Don't follo...John has gone off the deep end. <br /><br />Don't follow him people.BenYachovhttp://www.catholic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-88174119712052850302011-02-24T13:29:59.583-07:002011-02-24T13:29:59.583-07:00Morrison: Drop it.Morrison: Drop it.Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-36296113507201424642011-02-24T11:19:53.545-07:002011-02-24T11:19:53.545-07:00Personal issues about John's finances are not ...Personal issues about John's finances are not germane to this discussion. I have plenty to criticize him for, we don't need to bring that up.Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-65951460892900510022011-02-24T08:45:17.158-07:002011-02-24T08:45:17.158-07:00Well, John has called you a liar about him being i...Well, John has called you a liar about him being in bankruptcy and losing his house, Morrison. Do you have links where John said he has lost his house? And/or where he said he's going through bankruptcy?<br /><br />If not, then leave--we neither want nor need lies about John here.<br /><br />If so, that would be interesting information about John, at least insofar as he denied it as being lies.<br /><br />JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-80143770739842511822011-02-24T07:44:24.516-07:002011-02-24T07:44:24.516-07:00>I'm unsubscribing from this thread.
Promi...>I'm unsubscribing from this thread.<br /><br />Promises! Promises......BenYachovhttp://www.catholic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-80730444751944895222011-02-24T07:36:26.342-07:002011-02-24T07:36:26.342-07:00I'm unsubscribing from this thread.I'm unsubscribing from this thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-6571044669530370222011-02-24T07:34:32.594-07:002011-02-24T07:34:32.594-07:00Morriston is a liar for Jesus. He continually make...Morriston is a liar for Jesus. He continually makes stuff up about me and spreads them around.<br /><br />If Christianity is the truth then why must it be buttressed with lies? I'll not respond to such drivel further. Engaging him is like wallowing in a pig's sty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-15252567962945310152011-02-24T06:39:13.930-07:002011-02-24T06:39:13.930-07:00Mr. V: {{(Now watch - someone, very probably under...Mr. V: {{(Now watch - someone, very probably under a pseudonym, will try to steer the conversation back to JL)}<br /><br />Or John might... whoops. Never mind. {g}<br /><br />I do however agree with various people here that the anonymice are getting thick. I know Victor allows anonymous posting as a way of not having to register with Booger (which is a good way to increase one's email spam)--or possibly because he doesn't know how to deactivate it from the "identity options". (I'm pretty sure I don't know how!--but I know other people can set up their journals that way on Blogger.)<br /><br />That really is something to look into, Victor. There are other sign-in options available (already offered to people wanting to comment on your threads) than Blogger.<br /><br />JRPJason Pratthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01602238179676591394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-89602624327740534762011-02-23T15:17:06.485-07:002011-02-23T15:17:06.485-07:00"(Now watch - someone, very probably under a ..."(Now watch - someone, very probably under a pseudonym, will try to steer the conversation back to JL)"<br /><br />John Loftus sucks!I'm under a pseudonym!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-10973254909455104032011-02-23T15:04:10.832-07:002011-02-23T15:04:10.832-07:00if Vic wanted a more respectful and intelligent di...<i>if Vic wanted a more respectful and intelligent discussion about the issues we debate</i><br /><br />That would hardly help, John, unless you started exclusively posting anonymously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-36387624938105816012011-02-23T12:40:36.788-07:002011-02-23T12:40:36.788-07:00Mr. Veale, if Vic wanted a more respectful and int...Mr. Veale, if Vic wanted a more respectful and intelligent discussion about the issues we debate then he should disallow anonymous comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-70057573153775638342011-02-23T12:36:41.095-07:002011-02-23T12:36:41.095-07:00And that's all I have to say about JL - we mig...And that's all I have to say about JL - we might find it more helpful to seek out other examples of internet infidelity. <br /><br />(Now watch - someone, very probably under a pseudonym, will try to steer the conversation back to JL)Mr Vealehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12931446615905211560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-72363950881415925862011-02-23T12:34:29.988-07:002011-02-23T12:34:29.988-07:00Ana
I think that John's little outburst about...Ana<br /><br />I think that John's little outburst about zombie Jews is explained by what I co-wrote in "McAtheism" (linked to above.) <br />It was another clumsy and ill-informed attack on religion. The whole point of his post was to be clumsy and ill informed about religion. It takes a great deal of intelligence and effort to be this clumsy and ill informed. <br />John's point is that religion can no longer be considered worthy of respect in a secular world. Religion is now the legitimate target for the bluntest and crudest form of satire.<br />His aim is to debase and sully Christian belief. And, as propaganda goes it is eerily effective.<br /><br />GrahamMr Vealehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12931446615905211560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-9875901521377058352011-02-23T12:30:04.814-07:002011-02-23T12:30:04.814-07:00I'm sure that anonymous is deliberately helpin...I'm sure that anonymous is deliberately helping John Loftus; he keeps the conversation focused on JL. <br />I'm not asserting that JL is conniving in this. I am asserting that anonymous is dishonest, and trying to ruin the flow of discussion on DI. He also provides a lot of free publicity for JL.Mr Vealehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12931446615905211560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-57615035923072789962011-02-23T08:48:42.998-07:002011-02-23T08:48:42.998-07:00Back when the Pope made some remarks about how Isl...Back when the Pope made some remarks about how Islam was spread by the sword. Some fanatical Muslims protested by holding up sign's that said "Kill all those who say Islam is spread by the Sword!".<br /><br />Loftus "response" to feser reminds me of that, not because of any threats or violent content but the sheer raw wacky chutzpah!BenYachovhttp://www.catholic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-52443640589927859082011-02-23T08:17:58.245-07:002011-02-23T08:17:58.245-07:00On the hat: Loftus only wears it because he is as ...On the hat: Loftus only wears it because he is as bald as an eagle underneath.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-15260349670960973632011-02-23T07:53:02.624-07:002011-02-23T07:53:02.624-07:00In defense of Loftus bashing, it is quite fun. He ...In defense of Loftus bashing, it is quite fun. He is also one of the best arguments against atheism I have ever seen.<br /><br />His embarrassing debate performances probably do more for Christianity than most apologists will ever do. Given that, aren't we furthering the cause of Christ by giving him the attention he so desperately craves?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-46276351849707775882011-02-23T04:22:14.710-07:002011-02-23T04:22:14.710-07:00Now the question of the polemics.
Given the funda...Now the question of the polemics.<br /><br />Given the fundamentalism on both sides is one reason I have scaled back engaging.<br /><br />I long for reasoned and respectful arguments. And I understand people will despise Christianity.<br /><br />I just see little need to engage the despisers but rather concentrate on answering the questions of those who seek and want to learn as I learn from them.GREVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415494137313565242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-33168745161549833112011-02-23T04:18:53.411-07:002011-02-23T04:18:53.411-07:00The religious impluse is not dying, I believe stat...The religious impluse is not dying, I believe statistically it is being shown that the religious will inherit the Earth.<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/Shall-Religious-Inherit-Earth-Twenty-First/dp/1846681448<br /><br />I am looking forward to ordering the book and not engaging in wishful thinking on the matter.<br /><br />Now, what type of religious impulse we are talking about is another story.GREVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415494137313565242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1888940757837864832011-02-23T00:51:08.612-07:002011-02-23T00:51:08.612-07:00I once read an argument by Loftus to the effect th...I once read an argument by Loftus to the effect that God did not exist because human beings were not created with wings. <br /><br />I don't think, after having made an argument like that, anything Loftus will say until the day he dies, will ever jostle my faith.<br /><br />And I say that, knowing full well that I am taking a potentially irrational stance here. John could indeed present an argument against Christianity that I *ought* to be disturbed by. I just can't help it though. The Argument from Winglessness just has had that effect on me - rendering me eternally impervious to Loftusism. <br /><br />I think there was even a picture of a bluish colored man with wings flying through the air.Alex Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826568465831489492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-17179223942867376362011-02-22T20:52:47.925-07:002011-02-22T20:52:47.925-07:00I'd like to comment on the following:
Besides...I'd like to comment on the following:<br /><br /><b>Besides, you fail to see what is happening in America with your belief in God. He's dying. Get used to it.</b><br /><br />2 Thessalonians 2:3, KJV:<br /><br /><b>Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;</b><br /><br />It seems to me that statement confirms, rather than refutes, the truth of Scripture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-53360321343913022122011-02-22T19:26:20.085-07:002011-02-22T19:26:20.085-07:00John,
The analogy does works.
The skeptic in th...John, <br /><br />The analogy does works.<br /><br />The skeptic in the conversation caricatures concepts he doesn't understand. Also, he doesn't think these concepts deserve being given the oppurtunity to be discussed in serious manner. There are quite a many atheists who are like that skeptic, John.<br /><br />It occurred to me, that the skeptic who crafted this statement, as well as the ridicule-fond internet atheists who have contributed to its popularity: <br /><br />"<i>The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.</i>"<br /><br />might consider showing some empathy for Feser's skeptic who says:<br /><br />"<i>Physicists believe in these things called “quarks,” which are little flavored particles that spin around and work like magic charms. Their evidence is that they read about them in a James Joyce novel. Some of them think the universe is made up of tiny shoelaces tied together, though they admit that they have no evidence for this and have to take it on faith..." (you know the rest)</i>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com