tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post6670243656899529239..comments2024-03-27T15:34:14.749-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: An Inquiry from the Secular OutpostVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-11988211070397284252017-08-26T10:37:48.369-07:002017-08-26T10:37:48.369-07:00And lastly, C. S. Lewisʼs “Argument From Reason,” ...And lastly, C. S. Lewisʼs “Argument From Reason,” vs. Christians Who Reject Mind-Body Dualism...<br /><br /><b>If one takes mind as spirit one can be a property dualist, avoid the "sin"<br /> of dualism and go for after life.</b><br /><br /><br /><br /> and Accept the Possibility of Artificial Intelligence, <br /><br /><br /><b>maybe</b><br /><br />Even “Born Again” Machines! https://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012/04/mind-body-dualism-and-possibility-of.html<br /><br /><b>no, because consciousness is necessary but not sufficient for salvation so there is more involved,</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-27938797281714310502017-08-26T10:28:29.999-07:002017-08-26T10:28:29.999-07:00Perhaps you will some day at least admit to emerge...Perhaps you will some day at least admit to emergentists that their philosophical worldview is coherent within itself: Consciousness and logical recognitions within special arrangements of matter-energy, a consciousness that develops not only via sensory input but socially focused sensory input over time from other thinking beings, trial and error also being part of learning. <br /><br /><b>It is no big trick for reductionist to make their world view coherent within itself, they do that buy leaving out whatever is not coherent, that means their coherence doesn't mean that much.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-52584887198808709292017-08-23T21:11:01.030-07:002017-08-23T21:11:01.030-07:00Ed: I always got frustrated in our discussions of ...Ed: I always got frustrated in our discussions of the AFR because I couldn't get you to agree on the kind of naturalism that the argument is attacking. <br /><br /><br />How does illumination work? How does an omnipotent being figure out how to illuminate our minds. Hint: He doesn't have to practice.Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-65856327648151540572017-08-23T14:05:54.435-07:002017-08-23T14:05:54.435-07:00Vic, Strictly philosophically speaking I get what ...Vic, Strictly philosophically speaking I get what Lewis was saying with his references to "divine illumination" being an explanation. But then, when DOESN'T an all-powerful all-wise Being provide an explanation for literally everything? <br /><br />But also keep in mind how non-theistic emergentists view the question within their own worldview. The human brain-mind involves the most complex arrangement of atoms, molecules cells known in the cosmos, a hundred billion or more with a trillion electro-chemical connections constantly processing even during dreamless sleep, and it is an extremely difficult task to understand exactly what all that processing has to do in exact relation to specific thoughts in people's brain-minds. <br /><br />Perhaps you will some day at least admit to emergentists that their philosophical worldview is coherent within itself: Consciousness and logical recognitions within special arrangements of matter-energy, a consciousness that develops not only via sensory input but socially focused sensory input over time from other thinking beings, trial and error also being part of learning. <br /><br />Emergentist views might not be true, but I don't see them as incoherent. And I also view the "Divine illumination" explanation as raising plenty of questions of its own as to how exactly it "works." <br /><br />Did you read my critique of Lewis? C. S. Lewis and the Cardinal Difficulty of Naturalism https://etb-agnosticism.blogspot.com/2012/03/c-s-lewis-and-cardinal-difficulty-of.html<br /><br />There is also Prior Prejudices and the Argument from Reason https://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2011/01/prior-prejudices-and-argument-from.html<br /><br />And lastly, C. S. Lewisʼs “Argument From Reason,” vs. Christians Who Reject Mind-Body Dualism and Accept the Possibility of Artificial Intelligence, Even “Born Again” Machines! https://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012/04/mind-body-dualism-and-possibility-of.html<br /><br />Edwardtbabinskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036816926421936940noreply@blogger.com