tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post5832526186053821537..comments2024-03-28T12:34:14.649-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: Christian concerns about Trump Victor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-17089960212005638332016-12-02T21:06:22.029-07:002016-12-02T21:06:22.029-07:00Dr. Report, the choice between a lesser of two evi...Dr. Report, the choice between a lesser of two evils is one of the most basic moral choices there are. It's necessary, and would be immature to chose otherwise, wouldn't it? To suggest I have a heart problem will allow me to be a bit more confrontational:<br /><br />By voting for Trump, I did not condone his actions, I did not say "racism is what I want for my country," I did not say that I think he deserves to be president. I voted for Trump because it was the best option, and I'd rather choose than not, which would have let Hillary win in my state if everyone took the view that we should abstain from voting altogether. I did this because Hillary's actually tried to cheat her way into the presidency, and I'm simply not going to let that happen. I did this because, had I or you or anyone else dealt with classified information to the level of criminality that Hillary Clinton has, we'd be in jail. You better believe it. A vote for Hillary is irresponsible, given our power as US citizens, so my I suggest there is a heart problem with voting *for* her in spite of the judges she would appoint to the supreme court, the money she has allotted from our foreign enemies, the awful leadership decisions she has made which lead to the death of US soldiers, the genocide of the unborn? <br /><br />I voted *against* Hillary, not *for* Trump. As did many, many of his followers. And no, even his voters who did think he deserves the presidency, even those who think highly of him: this does not make them bad people. They have likely not realized what he has done wrong. The question of whether Trump's voters are morally good or not is one of whether they fully support his sins, and given that most of them do not, the real question is one of factuality, not morality: do they know just how bad Trump is? And even if they realize just how unfit he is, they are still in the right for voting for him, given the indubitable evils that would entail a vote for Hillary. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01613627123506607663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-13005224600663694262016-11-30T20:19:36.915-07:002016-11-30T20:19:36.915-07:00"Political leaders can, and sometimes do, do ..."Political leaders can, and sometimes do, do a great deal of harm, and some people can get badly hurt by bad decisions by political leaders."<br /><br />Yes, especially if you are in the military. I don't remember seeing her level of stress (http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/shingles/basics/causes/con-20019574) over bad decisions that directly effected people in harms way.<br /><br />She's a manipulator.<br /><br />Agreed that the president is one branch of government and each branch is minor in comparison to the vast federal bureaucracy. Sadly.David Duffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01222419875209542723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-86719107657522356102016-11-30T07:42:42.844-07:002016-11-30T07:42:42.844-07:00Besides racism is no necessarily anti-seitism
Gl...<i> Besides racism is no necessarily anti-seitism </i><br /><br />Glad we can drop the contention that Trump is anti-Semitic.<br /><br /><i> he accepted then as paying costumers, all racists do that, </i><br /><br />Right, that is why there were all those "Whites Only" signs during the Jim Crow era. Look at this image and tell me that Trump is a racist.<br /><br />http://bit.ly/2gknBeO<br /><br />The message of his campaign was the same pro-diversity, inclusive rhetoric that we get from all national politicians, including outreach efforts (see below). Did Clinton do any outreach to white evangelicals? Mormons? Didn't think so.<br /><br />http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/03/politics/donald-trump-black-voters-detroit/index.htmlTheCharleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00188192045307730503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-65928878286897856832016-11-30T02:52:58.599-07:002016-11-30T02:52:58.599-07:00Joe
What's exceptional to me is a government t...Joe<br />What's exceptional to me is a government that allows however many people to live here illegally.<br /><br /><b>If other countries want to jump off a cliff will you jump off a cliff? it's declined 85% since 2007. Since Trump's candidacy it;s comeback up.</b><br /><br />Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-20362771793327159902016-11-30T02:45:21.389-07:002016-11-30T02:45:21.389-07:00I don't think that Trump is a racist (his Mara...I don't think that Trump is a racist (his Mara-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach was the first in the city to accept Jewish people and African Americans) and I don't think that he is anti-Semitic (he has a Jewish daughter and grandchildren.)<br /><br /><b>he accepted then as paying costumers, all racists do that, Besides racism is no necessarily anti-seitism,."look at my African american over there he's got those big eyes O he doesn't like it" and "I do get on so with the black people." all the black people I know are offended by these comments,</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-41016327438487670052016-11-30T02:41:08.286-07:002016-11-30T02:41:08.286-07:00The way that he talks is ugly, but as far as I can...The way that he talks is ugly, but as far as I can tell, Clinton is just as ugly, but is better at not doing it in public. It was a wash from my perspective if we are using language to judge character.<br /><br /><b>sorry but that is glossing over the content, don't minimize <br />Trump's BS with labeling it just ugly talk,. it's indicative of his racism and sexism and anti-democratic tendencies Hillary has no such problems</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-28610890772654043952016-11-30T02:37:36.671-07:002016-11-30T02:37:36.671-07:00Grow up. The world is a messy place. Endure some r...Grow up. The world is a messy place. Endure some real suffering and you will find how insignificant an election that doesn't go your way is. We live in a fallen world. Serving others in the name of Christ since I've been a Christian has taught me who the manipulators are. She's a manipulator.<br /><br /><b>Bull shit,84,000 Salvadorans, 60,000 Guatemalans and 70,000 Nicaraguans died in the 809 who would nit have died had 'Reagan not won in 80. God how I wish Reagan was in now. Trump is going to be Much worse.No such thing as just an election</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-53603414124136027602016-11-29T21:44:35.982-07:002016-11-29T21:44:35.982-07:00Political leaders can, and sometimes do, do a grea...Political leaders can, and sometimes do, do a great deal of harm, and some people can get badly hurt by bad decisions by political leaders.<br /><br />But politics in America is cyclical, almost by nature. After the two term limit was passed after FDR, on only one occasion has a single party won three consecutive elections, when two terms of Reagan was followed by one of Bush Sr. <br /><br />I do think she overlooks some of the things that concern Christians about Democrats, particularly the failure to defend religious freedom and slippage from pro-choice to pro-abortion. <br /><br />People assume that a President can execute their programme, when it's very difficult to do. When the Democrats controlled the House, the Senate, and the White House after the 2008 election Obama was able to get Obamacare enacted, but he proposed it with a public option, which he never got. Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-91089989830526642582016-11-29T19:33:26.444-07:002016-11-29T19:33:26.444-07:00From the link:
"Still, to put it in theologi...From the link:<br /><br />"Still, to put it in theological terms, I’m pissed. I can’t stand the postelection suffering around me — more than one person I know has broken out in shingles from stress. Migraines and insomnia are the norm. Virtually everyone I know is walking around in a state of panic, dread and low-level rage. Including me."<br /><br />"I'm pissed" there's theology for you passed on by a philosophy professor. <br /><br />Grow up. The world is a messy place. Endure some real suffering and you will find how insignificant an election that doesn't go your way is. We live in a fallen world. Serving others in the name of Christ since I've been a Christian has taught me who the manipulators are. She's a manipulator.David Duffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01222419875209542723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-50898092704364510752016-11-29T08:11:09.282-07:002016-11-29T08:11:09.282-07:00I voted for Trump and thought a lot about this bef...I voted for Trump and thought a lot about this before the election.<br /><br />I disagree about the characterization of his character, at least on a few points. He is for the deportation of illegal immigrants, not immigrants in general. They are breaking the law and no non-citizen has a right to become a resident of the US.<br /><br />I don't think that Trump is a racist (his Mara-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach was the first in the city to accept Jewish people and African Americans) and I don't think that he is anti-Semitic (he has a Jewish daughter and grandchildren.)<br /><br />This is a longish article about the coverage of Trump being a racist/anti-LGBT/anti-Jewish by someone who endorsed Clinton.<br /><br />http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/<br /><br />The way that he talks is ugly, but as far as I can tell, Clinton is just as ugly, but is better at not doing it in public. It was a wash from my perspective if we are using language to judge character.<br />TheCharleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00188192045307730503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-87330765977967835622016-11-29T06:09:20.622-07:002016-11-29T06:09:20.622-07:00Joe
What's exceptional to me is a government t...Joe<br />What's exceptional to me is a government that allows however many people to live here illegally. SteveKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497892283006396471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-46242357621500983862016-11-29T05:52:17.669-07:002016-11-29T05:52:17.669-07:00I wasn't referring to any actual candidate.I wasn't referring to any actual candidate. SteveKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497892283006396471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-4060991301952277902016-11-29T05:49:19.126-07:002016-11-29T05:49:19.126-07:00Who said that?Who said that?SteveKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497892283006396471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-77076777787048992152016-11-29T04:11:38.929-07:002016-11-29T04:11:38.929-07:00the idea that Hillary murdered people is sheer stu...the idea that Hillary murdered people is sheer stupidity.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-80005802250014479392016-11-28T22:50:01.131-07:002016-11-28T22:50:01.131-07:00Bob,
Between a child molester wanting to enforce e...Bob,<br />Between a child molester wanting to enforce existing laws and a serial murderer wanting to ignore them, I'll take Chester the molester. I expect neither character flaw to make its way into the US system of government as a matter of policy or law. Yes, character matters. No, name calling and crude language aren't a deal breaker. You do the best you can. SteveKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497892283006396471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-10677882924944110932016-11-28T22:02:57.604-07:002016-11-28T22:02:57.604-07:00gee nob one listed agent of a foreign power, you w...gee nob one listed agent of a foreign power, you would think that would a deal breaker but hey, he's the nominee of God's own party.Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-16615648623900735832016-11-28T21:59:31.605-07:002016-11-28T21:59:31.605-07:00But Donald Trump was a non-starter for me from the...But Donald Trump was a non-starter for me from the get-go. I could not support a candidate who:<br /><br />- insults prisoners of war<br />- blasphemes against the Holy Eucharist (all by itself, a deal-breaker for me)<br />- mocks disabled persons<br />- picks a fight with the Pope<br />- demonstrates a complete disregard for facts<br />- embraces every batshit conspiracy theory to come down the pike<br />- boasts of his multiple marital infidelities<br />- engages in so-called "locker room talk" (I've been in plenty of locker rooms in my time. Heck, I've been in the Army. Never have I heard language even remotely resembling the rancid bilge that flowed out of Trump's mouth on that bus.)<br />- Fat-shames people (I say this as a fat person.)<br />- threatens to jail his political opponent<br />- is a total narcissist<br />- refers to people as "losers"<br />- apparently has no self-control whatsoever (and we want to give the nuclear codes to this man?)<br />- contradicts himself every third sentence, and then denies he ever said things which are clearly recorded for all to hear<br />- consorts with white nationalists and anti-Semites<br />- has the endorsement of the KKK<br />- puts his own business interests ahead of the country's<br /><br /><br /><b>but other than that...<br /></b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-64003027931584785522016-11-28T21:56:37.669-07:002016-11-28T21:56:37.669-07:00Gyan
False. And shows argument is in bad faith.
R...Gyan<br /><br />False. And shows argument is in bad faith.<br />Replace "immigrants" by "illegal immigrants" and what he called for is nothing very exceptional. <br /><br /><b>on what planet? deporting 11 m people is sure as hell exceptional.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-72376671265596285202016-11-28T21:53:45.704-07:002016-11-28T21:53:45.704-07:00John Moore
"Now we have no clear idea what ...John Moore<br /><br /><br />"Now we have no clear idea what he'll do at all. He's a black box."<br /><br /><b>bet I wont like it.</b>Joseph Hinman (Metacrock)https://www.blogger.com/profile/06957529748541493998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-634697600494357792016-11-28T21:52:08.905-07:002016-11-28T21:52:08.905-07:00SteveK,
You haven't answered the question yet...SteveK,<br /><br />You haven't answered the question yet. Does character play a part in your voting decision? And if so, where do you draw the line between what you can overlook, and what is a deal breaker?<br /><br />I'll go first. I've discussed this already at (great) length over on Crude's blog. For me, Trump disqualified himself with his "my little cracker" comment. That was the point at which I wrote him off for good - unless he apologized. He never did, and I never budged from my position that until he did, he was anathema to me. He still is.<br /><br />So do you draw any lines, or are you OK with voting for a child molester because he agrees with you politically?B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-48709779345996815832016-11-28T21:06:56.689-07:002016-11-28T21:06:56.689-07:00Or, if you prefer, a video from Trump himself
htt...Or, if you prefer, a video from Trump himself<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waiwbE7OpE8<br />SteveKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497892283006396471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-13722384050901296032016-11-28T21:02:53.888-07:002016-11-28T21:02:53.888-07:00Geez, John Moore. You might want to do some readin...Geez, John Moore. You might want to do some reading. <br /><br />http://nypost.com/2016/10/22/trump-lays-out-policies-for-first-100-days-of-white-house/SteveKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00497892283006396471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-28549370864352019132016-11-28T20:42:39.223-07:002016-11-28T20:42:39.223-07:00Maybe the candidate's character only matters i...Maybe the candidate's character only matters insofar as it makes you trust (or not trust) that they will honestly try to carry out the policies they have advocated.<br /><br />In Trump's case, his character is a secondary concern because he didn't seriously advocate any policies. He said a lot of things, but most of that was clearly untrue, impractical or contradictory. It all seems to have been just bluster.<br /><br />Now we have no clear idea what he'll do at all. He's a black box.<br />John B. Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00234524731241646514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-83703975338173391332016-11-28T20:40:12.746-07:002016-11-28T20:40:12.746-07:00"calls for massive deportation of immigrants&..."calls for massive deportation of immigrants"<br /><br />False. And shows argument is in bad faith.<br />Replace "immigrants" by "illegal immigrants" and what he called for is nothing very exceptional. <br />Gyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-30896014019708226542016-11-28T20:23:04.685-07:002016-11-28T20:23:04.685-07:00" It would be trivially easy to generate a lo..."<i> It would be trivially easy to generate a long list of negatives regarding Hillary.</i>"<br /><br />I totally agree. The biggest for me was her unapologetic pro-abortion (going far beyond "pro-choice") stance, especially her insistence that the Hyde Amendment be overturned. She was also throwing out red flags all over the place with her use of the phrase "freedom of worship" rather than the Constitution's "freedom of religion".<br /><br />Indeed a conscientious Christian was in a genuine bind this year, with no good choices. The whole election sickened me. Can this nation of 350,000,000 people not come up with 2 better candidates than these "deplorables" (both of them)?B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.com