tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post5312706504674329655..comments2024-03-28T12:34:14.649-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: Pro-choice vs. Pro-abortionVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1348958219168767412009-08-15T23:21:46.130-07:002009-08-15T23:21:46.130-07:00"Many people who are, strictly speaking, pro-..."Many people who are, strictly speaking, pro-choice, hate abortion. They want to see the number of abortions brought as close to zero as possible."<br /><br />If someone *really* wanted to bring the number of abortions as close to zero as possible, shouldn't the person be pro-life?<br /><br />Consider the following 2 positions regarding action P. Position #1 states that P is immoral and should never be morally permissible. Position #2 states that P might be immoral at least to some extent, but in certain cases it is necessary, and thus is sometimes permissible. <br /><br />If someone wanted to bring the number of Ps as close to zero as possible, shouldn't the person subscribe to position #1, since, of the 2 positions, #1 tolerates P less than #2?<br /><br />Of 2 possible worlds, where everyone is pro-life in 1 world and everyone is pro-choice in the other, wouldn't the world that is pro-life have the number of abortions much closer to 0 than the world that is pro-choice? So if someone wanted to have the number of abortions as close to 0 as possible, wouldn't they go with the option that is less tolerant of abortion? The more people who are pro-life, the greater the chances of reducing the number of abortions to 0.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06916644002199664629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-56197027902291344202009-08-15T20:46:02.850-07:002009-08-15T20:46:02.850-07:00I read your blog it was very interesting.
I'...I read your blog it was very interesting. <br /><br />I'm pro-life and Catholic, so I think I can offer some insight to some of the things you were talking about (the whole nose plugging thing). For me I was willing to vote for McCain (even though I thought we should toss both of them out and have a re-do). But my main focus was on abortion. Obama is to friendly with Planned Parenthood who he promised he would sign in FOCA. My disagreement with this is, it would mean tax payer money would be killing innocent people, and even if the doctors and nurses disagreed with it, they would still be required to perform the abortion.<br /><br />Now you can say I'm a one issue voter, but if you don't have life, what do the other issues matter if you are dead? <br /><br />It would be like someone saying I can fix the economy, ensure there is no unemployment, there will be no hungry people, our boarders will be protected, and we can live in a Utopia society. However the only way we can accomplish this is when ever anyone sees a Mexican, you have to shot them.<br /><br />Would anyone vote for this person? Even if they could do all that they say, would people willingly go out on to the streets and start killing other people?<br /><br />Now you can say that Obama isn't saying this, but when you legalize the killing of children in their mothers womb you might as well be. I think what gets me the most is that Obama claims one of his favorite presidents is Abraham Lincoln, who was the person that said all people are equal white and black. Even though in those days blacks were even considered sub-human they were property like a table or chair. Yet Obama is willing to say that children in the womb are sub-human and don't deserve any of the natural rights that we who have been living outside of our mother's womb do.<br /><br />There is so much potential in life, and so many dangers in abortion (which by the way has no medical benefit). Why would anyone chose abortion?<br /><br />My view is most women don't chose abortion, it is pressured on them by the people who say they love them. When the guy who helped get her pregnant says she is on her own and her parents say it is your problem. Does she really have a choice?akstewgalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-41918126117294001832009-08-10T07:09:30.516-07:002009-08-10T07:09:30.516-07:00Anony: Actually from what I undestand its the oppo...Anony: Actually from what I undestand its the opposite. There are lots of studies showing that the abstinence only sex. ed. does not work. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/13/AR2007041301003.html<br /><br />By "risky behavior" do you mean sexual activity or pregnancy? <br /><br />I would consider that the important thing, especially from a pro life perspective, would be minimizing unwanted pregnancy. if the concern is about sexual activity, well.. that is another issue.<br /><br />Smokering: Thanks and yes I know there are prolifers that agree with you. I am just baffled at those who don't. Even if we take the Catholic view and hold that artificial birth control is wrong in itself, it is hard to argue that it is anything like the wrong, from the pro-life standpoint, of abortion)Gordon Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03223834584232283601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-77142537079677449992009-08-10T02:10:26.003-07:002009-08-10T02:10:26.003-07:00Gordon, I agree: given that lives are at stake, te...Gordon, I agree: given that lives are at stake, teaching the actual biology and scientific and ethical information surrounding birth control seems necessary and sensible. I'm not the only pro-lifer to think so, either.Smokeringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05947613057677525100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-33326055591006222862009-08-09T15:11:10.549-07:002009-08-09T15:11:10.549-07:00Probably because greater availability of birth con...Probably because greater availability of birth control actually increases risky behavior, but of course, you probably already knew that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-2663440304087252162009-08-09T10:52:58.280-07:002009-08-09T10:52:58.280-07:00If abortion is murder, or even if it is a signific...If abortion is murder, or even if it is a significantly bad thing, then the natural approach is to do what one can to limit the number of abortions. The best way to do this, with the least suffering, is to make unwanted pregnancy less common. So why don't many of the anti abortion people work hard for the greater availabiity of birth control? Why do they fight for "abstinence only" sex education?Gordon Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03223834584232283601noreply@blogger.com