tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post3018894262828612691..comments2024-03-28T12:34:14.649-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: Religious Belief in Academia and ElsewhereVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-80706358916798172692011-06-07T04:27:14.907-07:002011-06-07T04:27:14.907-07:00cl
Idiot
And that's not classified as false.cl<br />Idiot<br />And that's not classified as false.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-86327180183694694852011-06-06T13:45:54.585-07:002011-06-06T13:45:54.585-07:00Of course, you could always redeem yourself by act...Of course, you could always redeem yourself by actually engaging any of the arguments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-65991887844074463562011-06-06T13:44:55.788-07:002011-06-06T13:44:55.788-07:00"Followed by a tirade of ad hominem."
O...<b>"Followed by a tirade of ad hominem."</b><br /><br />Oh please. Nowhere did I even suggest that one or more of your arguments should be classified as false on behalf of your rambling tendencies. IOW, no <i>ad hominem</i>. Now, if I'd said, "PL rambles and rants therefore anything he says is false," you'd have a point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-55599677307082286502011-06-06T13:39:28.127-07:002011-06-06T13:39:28.127-07:00cl says: "Please, less huff-puff-your-belief...cl says: "Please, less huff-puff-your-beliefs-are-so-obviously-stupid. It won't go down well around here- this is a place for serious discussion."<br /><br />Followed by a tirade of ad hominem.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-52623930252734182752011-06-06T12:10:20.491-07:002011-06-06T12:10:20.491-07:00"Please, less huff-puff-your-beliefs-are-so-o...<b>"Please, less huff-puff-your-beliefs-are-so-obviously-stupid. It won't go down well around here- this is a place for serious discussion."</b><br /><br />Again, though--like some have with Loftus--this assumes Papalinton is actually concerned with serious discussion, cogency, and things of that nature. To date, the rambling and incoherent nature of his posts directly confronts that notion. At least, that's what I've seen from Papa thus far. I mean, did anyone else notice how his comments have failed to address a single point raised in the OP, or even the thread?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-37320457220692404902011-06-06T03:59:39.967-07:002011-06-06T03:59:39.967-07:00I have lived and worked in South East Asia. I hav...I have lived and worked in South East Asia. I have lived and worked among the Aborigines of Australia for many years. They differ greatly in those aspects that I would be most familiar with back in my neck of the woods. All shapes and sizes, all manner of differing beliefs. Some were repugnant. But what I learned was that a family with wife and kids in SE Asia or within Aborigine communities, had the same ideal wishes and desires as I did; to be safe, to be protected, to be fed, housed, to work and be a contributing member of the community, to want the best for their children and to share life with their neighbor. In other words they were driven as I am by those very same and well-understood commonly shared humanist ideals regardless of worldview overlay. <br />Our lasting friendships transcended the superficial overlay of belief systems.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-77954207074942608072011-06-05T17:15:51.138-07:002011-06-05T17:15:51.138-07:00If we go by "camps," then there is no wa...If we go by "camps," then there is no way to get around having people in your camp with whom you differ greatly, or even who has a personality that is in some ways repugnant to your own. That's life.Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-65114451917390254022011-06-04T21:30:22.769-07:002011-06-04T21:30:22.769-07:00Victor, surely you don't really reside in the ...Victor, surely you don't really reside in the same camp as Anonymous and Ilion and others, do you?<br /><br />Their views are anathema to the more reasoned perspective you portray. Although your base premise remains largely posited on supernatural superstition, you nonetheless possess a wonderful capacity to provide delightful humanist insights in the manner that you present, and comment on, on various bulletins lodge on this site.<br />With a change in perspective, you would more capable of generating genuine change, a facilitator, in a much more diverse, mixed and multicultural society that is the inexorable trend experienced by all aggregations and pockets of communities across the country. No more would you be required to throw out the anchor of reactionary, staid conservatism, but be a real changer of people's lives to a greater moral and ethical society.<br /><br />CheersPapalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-38243636616301493622011-06-04T21:15:06.820-07:002011-06-04T21:15:06.820-07:00Anonymous
"When I say got sent packing, I me...Anonymous<br /> "When I say got sent packing, I mean your arguments were shown to be complete rubbish- ie: When you claimed that the "inconsistent" readings of the Christian text make it all meaningless. "<br /><br />Having a little pious huffy, are we?<br />Anonymous, the archetypal and quintessential Don Quixote tilting at windmills dressed in his armor of christian-colored theism.<br /><br />How droll.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-55686502846052116862011-06-03T09:23:11.227-07:002011-06-03T09:23:11.227-07:00Well said Anonymous on June 03, 2011 12:09 AMWell said Anonymous on June 03, 2011 12:09 AMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-60290833369416710142011-06-03T09:22:05.664-07:002011-06-03T09:22:05.664-07:00Papalinton, you got sent packing last time you cam...Papalinton, you got sent packing last time you came on here spurting your evangelistic nonsense.<br /><br />When I say got sent packing, I mean your arguments were shown to be complete rubbish- ie: When you claimed that the "inconsistent" readings of the Christian text make it all meaningless. <br /><br />Please, less huff-puff-your-beliefs-are-so-obviously-stupid. It won't go down well around here- this is a place for serious discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-67067137250957373282011-06-03T06:25:01.994-07:002011-06-03T06:25:01.994-07:00@ Anonymous
Don't get me wrong. I am definite...@ Anonymous<br />Don't get me wrong. I am definitely an atheist. I was thinking more of the transition, that Victor might want to consider agnosticism, from theism, in the first instant. Indeed, agnosticism is an honorable and honest frame of mind for those who simply cannot decide, for a multitude of reasons, yes or no.<br /><br />Victor, will need to consider his own circumstances to determine how he manages the transition to secular scholarship from apologetical scholarship. <br />Anonymous, it will be Victor's call, and his alone, when he makes that decision.<br /><br />CheersPapalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-3845091506832863222011-06-03T06:15:27.211-07:002011-06-03T06:15:27.211-07:00@ Anonymous
" .. and screaming about how much...@ Anonymous<br />" .. and screaming about how much you hate God."<br /><br />I don't hate your god. How can you hate a nothing?Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-84026267707938108602011-06-03T00:09:04.675-07:002011-06-03T00:09:04.675-07:00Let me translate Papa for everyone,
"I can...Let me translate Papa for everyone,<br />"I can't understand why so many intelligent thinkers are theists and not agnostics like me...I should attempt to make my position look better through acting as though only agnostics can 'explore the philosophical questions brought up through the vast number of human research activity in the sciences, anthropology, sociology, psychology, medicine' and ignore the fact that many (if not most) in these fields are religious...I'm so passionate about my position, and he would be a great convert to our side...let's rescue the perishing and pray for the dying...agnosticism will prevail."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-86875272531340683902011-06-02T20:54:22.950-07:002011-06-02T20:54:22.950-07:00There is so much of the world that is so exciting ...<i>There is so much of the world that is so exciting </i><br /><br />Like ranting angrily on forums, every day, repeatedly, making little sense, and screaming about how much you hate God. lol.<br /><br />Christians can study science and philosophy just fine. You're the only one who seems to be "running along the trolley tracks on a theological sidebranch line". It's just atheological instead. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-91577361800879934532011-06-02T19:15:37.968-07:002011-06-02T19:15:37.968-07:00Thank you for the salvation tract.Thank you for the salvation tract.Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-44751319026747786452011-06-02T19:10:13.572-07:002011-06-02T19:10:13.572-07:00Yes Victor. For a guy who really does enjoy the p...Yes Victor. For a guy who really does enjoy the philosophical interplay, you would love opportunities of exploring the philosophical questions brought up through the vast number of human research activity in the sciences, anthropology, sociology, psychology, medicine; all those collective areas that are building a cogent and compelling narrative of the human condition. This would be a far cry from and in comparison to that offered by running along the trolley tracks of apologetical philosophy on a theological sidebranch line.<br /><br />For an obviously intelligent thinker and a person who is clearly one driven by compassion, sincere and with a sense of fair play, you have much to contribute to the wider community.<br /><br />You would be delighted and relieved in acknowledging and accepting the responsibility [as I know you rightly would] that comes with the freedom of agnosticism. There is so much of the world that is so exciting as we transit to a global community without the localised impediments of religion.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-31131098054022305272011-06-02T13:08:01.874-07:002011-06-02T13:08:01.874-07:00I'm considerably more conservative theological...I'm considerably more conservative theologically than politically. The apparent connection between these things is largely a matter of historical accident. In fact, I think that what conservatism and liberalism is at this particular time is largely a matter of things which are connected to one another only accidentally. <br /><br />In fact, I could easily construct an argument, on biblical grounds, that right-wingers are all going to hell. It's not an argument I accept, but it is about as strong as most arguments that all Xs are going to hell.Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-9354674842009452942011-06-02T11:25:40.347-07:002011-06-02T11:25:40.347-07:00Karl Grant,
It seems to me you're assuming Lo...<b>Karl Grant</b>,<br /><br />It seems to me you're assuming Loftus is concerned with consistency, and that he actually believes the standards he holds theists to--when datum after datum testifies to the contrary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-28069836324155695572011-06-02T09:15:53.170-07:002011-06-02T09:15:53.170-07:00Victor,
Would you be willing to tell us (if you h...Victor,<br /><br />Would you be willing to tell us (if you haven't already) if you have become more liberal or more conservative theologically over your tenure in academia? How about your political leanings? Do political leanings often track theological leanings or vice-versa in your experience? Thanks.D3U7ujawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13081990693148277532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-38340754740946173662011-06-02T04:25:17.114-07:002011-06-02T04:25:17.114-07:00CL,
Well, I am still kind of wondering why in the...CL,<br /><br />Well, I am still kind of wondering why in the world he would make a statement like that in his first place and than a few posts down admit he knows modern conservative theologians with degrees from respected institutions (<i>I know these men. Gary is a friend of mine.</i>). It completely undermines his original post (I don't know if Habermas became more conservative after obtaining his degree but he definitely stayed conservative). In my mind, that wasn't a particularly smart thing to do because it makes him look dishonest or at the very least forgetful (speaking of which, what kind of friend forgets what their buddies' world-view is?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-77850715739861993652011-06-02T03:11:33.494-07:002011-06-02T03:11:33.494-07:00Victor,
"Does the fact that as you go up the...<b>Victor</b>,<br /><br /><i>"Does the fact that as you go up the educational scale, religious belief goes down, count as evidence against religious belief?"</i><br /><br />Presuming that's a fact, of course not! <br /><br /><b>Karl Grant</b>,<br /><br /><i>And regardless, Loftus is wrong when he says that more educated people don't become conservative since most high-ranking Republicans have one or more college degrees. Which, according to him, is something we are not supposed to see very often, if at all.</i><br /><br />Of course, don't forget the more important fact: that Loftus is being a total hypocrite here. Elsewhere, he writes that "We should all ask for positive evidence for that which we accept as true." Yet, here he is, feeding us his fantasy du jour without any evidence whatsoever!<br /><br />Priceless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-48218175792837260812011-06-01T17:42:16.700-07:002011-06-01T17:42:16.700-07:00Come on Vic, you're a smart guy. You don't...Come on Vic, you're a smart guy. You don't believe in all that virgin birth-snake handling stuff, do you? You're not going to get tenure telling students to drink strychnine. We'll let you believe in a "higher power" so long as your politics are right. <br /><br />Pap must be an academic.Gimli 4 the Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09077653879666675956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-88651003123694455252011-06-01T11:21:26.185-07:002011-06-01T11:21:26.185-07:00Huh? Where in blazes would you get an idea like t...Huh? Where in blazes would you get an idea like that?Victor Repperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-26817371806889378882011-06-01T04:06:48.252-07:002011-06-01T04:06:48.252-07:00C'mon Victor
I think it is about time you come...C'mon Victor<br />I think it is about time you come out tell everyone you are a deist at best.<br />There is no shame in admitting that.<br />CheersPapalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.com