tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post1999223133594790509..comments2024-03-27T15:34:14.749-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: The Donald Trump of atheismVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger157125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-6129739429649295692019-06-06T20:40:33.653-07:002019-06-06T20:40:33.653-07:00@hopper
"You are learning, Grasshopper."...@hopper<br />"You are learning, Grasshopper."<br />Sure, well, maybe you would care to explain why Black Lies Matter?StardustyPsychehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493629973262220492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-30094008540122520712019-06-06T20:38:49.733-07:002019-06-06T20:38:49.733-07:00@One
"You can't admit that black people g...@One<br />"You can't admit that black people get shot more often simply for being black, you have to call a kid, playing by himself with a toy gun, a criminal. As I said, sad."<br />Pointing a realistic replica gun at passers by is not "playing by himself".<br />Tamir Rice was committing the crime of armed assault, that is the law.<br /><br />"Seriously, black kids with toys,"<br />A realistic replica gun is not a "toy", Davenport child.<br />Such guns are banned as crime devices in Canada and the UK.<br />Such guns are treated as firing guns when used in the act of committing a crime here in the USA.<br />Pointing such a gun at passers by is criminal armed assault.<br /><br />"You can't even bring yourself to refer to Rice as a child."<br />By tradition a 12 year old becomes responsible for his actions. At that age some boys are already killers.<br /><br />You have the luxury of sitting back behind your computer looking through your gauzy Iowa boy glasses imagining 12 year olds are sweet boys who just like to play.<br /><br />When a police officer rolls up on a young person who pulls a gun that officer must make a split second decision or he may very well be the one to die that day.<br /><br />That is why law enforcement officers draw and shoot before the criminal has the chance to.<br /><br />"1. I'm long past being a kid.<br />2. I'm white, so I'd probably be fine anyway."<br />Really? You think a white man can pull a gun on the police without being shot? You know nothing about who the police actually shoot.<br /><br />So fine then, buy that realistic replica gun, point it a number of passers by in a threatening way in a wooded park in the central district of a high murder rate city, put it in your waist band, when the police arrive and tell you to show your open hands do not obey that order, instead, pull out your "toy" gun.<br /><br />We will then see if your old white skin can stop bullets.StardustyPsychehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493629973262220492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-31848017077263051562019-06-06T06:28:43.527-07:002019-06-06T06:28:43.527-07:00"I think I am done with [this] conversation n..."<i>I think I am done with [this] conversation now.</i>"<br /><br />You are learning, Grasshopper.Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-42578898054623440492019-06-06T05:24:04.983-07:002019-06-06T05:24:04.983-07:00Blogger StardustyPsyche said...
It's the law. ...Blogger StardustyPsyche said...<br /><i>It's the law. The use of a realistic replica gun in a crime is, under the law, an armed crime.</i><br /><br />You can't admit that black people get shot more often simply for being black, you have to call a kid, playing by himself with a toy gun, a criminal. As I said, sad.<br /><br /><i>If you think that is pathetic I suggest you lobby your local government to have such laws removed.</i><br /><br />The law is not what's pathetic here.<br /><br /><i>Very seriously. The police shoot people who pull out realistic replica guns. That sounds pretty serious to me.</i><br /><br />The police shoot people who pull out cell phones, as long as they are black.<br /><br /><i>Seriously, people who pull out a gun that looks real instead of showing open hands get shot by the police.</i><br /><br />Seriously, black kids with toys, who were reported as being a black kid with a toy by the 911 caller, get shot by police, and scared white people try to justify it because they can't deal with the truth.<br /><br />Notice how you still have to load the language. You can't even bring yourself to refer to Rice as a child.<br /><br /><i>You are brave indeed, so, by all means, do buy a realistic replica gun, point it at people in a park in a high crime area, and pull it out when the police arrive.</i><br /><br />1. I'm long past being a kid.<br />2. I'm white, so I'd probably be fine anyway.<br /><br /><i>We will then see if your bravery can stop bullets.</i><br /><br />Wouldn't be any bullets to stop.<br /><br />I think I am done with conversation now.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-24598326958329816682019-06-05T06:17:40.221-07:002019-06-05T06:17:40.221-07:00@One
SP-Tamir Rice was an armed assailant,
"...@One<br />SP-Tamir Rice was an armed assailant,<br /><br />"I mean, this is just really pathetic. It's sad"<br />It's the law. The use of a realistic replica gun in a crime is, under the law, an armed crime.<br /><br />If you think that is pathetic I suggest you lobby your local government to have such laws removed.<br /><br />"See, you can't even discuss this without loading the language. He "pulled realistic replica gun", not "tried to show the police his toy"? Seriously?"<br />Very seriously. The police shoot people who pull out realistic replica guns. That sounds pretty serious to me.<br /><br />Seriously, people who pull out a gun that looks real instead of showing open hands get shot by the police.<br /><br />Seriously, the "toy" gun defense does not excuse the use of a realistic replica gun in a crime, and the law considers their use as armed crimes, yes, seriously.<br /><br />"I wonder how you even manage to leave your house in the daytime, holding on to all that fear."<br />You are brave indeed, so, by all means, do buy a realistic replica gun, point it at people in a park in a high crime area, and pull it out when the police arrive.<br /><br />We will then see if your bravery can stop bullets.StardustyPsychehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493629973262220492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-59808222776207542812019-06-05T05:39:00.582-07:002019-06-05T05:39:00.582-07:00StardustyPsyche said...
Grow up, Iowa boy,
Only ...StardustyPsyche said...<br /><i>Grow up, Iowa boy, </i><br /><br />Only after you develop a backbone, fear child.<br /><br /><i>Tamir Rice was an armed assailant, </i><br /><br />I mean, this is just really pathetic. It's sad. Thank goodness bmiller is here to lighten the mood.<br /><br /><i>That's why Tamir Rice got shot, because he pulled a realistic replica gun on the police.</i><br /><br />See, you can't even discuss this without loading the language. He "pulled realistic replica gun", not "tried to show the police his toy"? Seriously?<br /><br />I wonder how you even manage to leave your house in the daytime, holding on to all that fear.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-2152067199632337372019-06-05T05:32:18.096-07:002019-06-05T05:32:18.096-07:00bmiller said...
He was probably trying to explain ...bmiller said...<br /><i>He was probably trying to explain to you what equivocation meant and finally reached his breaking point :-)</i><br /><br />:)One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-69139928985048025092019-06-04T19:38:21.365-07:002019-06-04T19:38:21.365-07:00@One
"SP-You seem to inhabit some gauzy unive...@One<br />"SP-You seem to inhabit some gauzy universe of Mayberry where kids just play with guns and it is no big deal.<br /><br />Put in the word "toy" before guns and it was the childhood of just about every kid I grew up with in Davenport."<br />Exactly my point.<br /><br />Your boyhood Davenport Iowa is a very long way from modern central Cleveland Ohio. Cleveland has the 5th highest murder rate in the USA, and is therefore one of the most dangerous cities in America.<br /><br />Grow up, Iowa boy, a realistic replica gun is not the "toy" of your gauzy childish memory, it is a crime device when used by armed robbers, armed rapists, and armed assailants.<br /><br />Tamir Rice was an armed assailant, because under the law the use of a realistic replica gun is equivalent to the use of a gun actually capable of firing bullets.<br /><br />That's why Tamir Rice got shot, because he pulled a realistic replica gun on the police.<br /><br />But, just in case you think that is no big deal, fine, I will give you a little experiment you can try...<br /><br />Go buy a realistic replica gun.<br />Go to a wooded public park in the central district of a high crime city.<br />Pull out your realistic replica gun and start pointing it a passers by in a threatening way.<br />Put the gun in your waist band.<br />When the police arrive and draw down on you and tell you to show your open hands do not obey that order, instead, pull out your realistic replica gun.<br /><br />I suggest you file a notarized will prior to conducting this little social experiment.StardustyPsychehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493629973262220492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-81151018645701965332019-06-04T11:50:53.654-07:002019-06-04T11:50:53.654-07:00I did have a kid threaten me in a classroom once, ...<b> I did have a kid threaten me in a classroom once, but I didn't take it very seriously.</b><br /><br />He was probably trying to explain to you what equivocation meant and finally reached his breaking point :-)bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-5552315499133695402019-06-03T05:15:40.179-07:002019-06-03T05:15:40.179-07:00StardustyPsyche said...
People who ... does not wo...StardustyPsyche said...<br /><i>People who ... does not work.</i><br /><br />All irrelevant in the case of Rice.<br /><br /><i>Have you ever walked through a public park and had a gun pointed at you in a threatening way? </i><br /><br />On a public street, sure. Though, this was a grown man, not a kid. I did have a kid threaten me in a classroom once, but I didn't take it very seriously.<br /><br /><i>You seem to inhabit some gauzy universe of Mayberry where kids just play with guns and it is no big deal.</i><br /><br />Put in the word "toy" before guns and it was the childhood of just about every kid I grew up with in Davenport.<br /><br /><i>That was the caller, not necessarily the people who had the gun pointed at them.</i><br /><br />So, now you have to make up scared people to justify your own fear and hatred. One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-81487191271037105282019-06-03T05:09:54.368-07:002019-06-03T05:09:54.368-07:00Starhopper said...
The logical inference is nevert...Starhopper said...<br /><i>The logical inference is nevertheless there that all men are would be monsters. It is inescapable from the reasoning that the only reason a good man did not rob, rape, and/or kill is lack of opportunity.</i><br /><br />I don't have any reason to think Jesus was a good man. He was (as a best guess) a man who thought himself a prophet, gathered some followers, went to the big city, and raised a ruckus to the extent that he got himself arrested. We don't know what would have happened if he had gotten some real power.<br /><br />Now, I realize that's not the guy you have faith in, but that's the one I was commenting on. Men who think themselves prophets go on to do horrible things much more often than men who do not so consider themselves, AFAICT.<br />One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-71013248370909149872019-05-30T11:36:30.767-07:002019-05-30T11:36:30.767-07:00@One
"Wow, you must be surrounded by criminal...@One<br />"Wow, you must be surrounded by criminals constantly,"<br />People who point realistic replica guns at other people are committing a crime if they do so in a way that makes the victim think the gun is real and thus instills fear in the victim, a real fear of being shot, which is a realistic fear because it looks like a real gun is being pointed.<br /><br />That is the crime of assault.<br /><br />Also, using a realistic replica gun to commit a robbery is, under the law, an armed robbery. The "toy gun" defense does not work.<br /><br /><br />" because I have met few people who come across more scared than you."<br />Have you ever walked through a public park and had a gun pointed at you in a threatening way? That happens, and when it happens that is a crime, and the police will possibly be called and if the person points the gun and then puts it back in his waistband and then when the police arrive he pulls it out of his waist band instead of showing his open hands the person will probably get shot by the police.<br /><br />" Or, perhaps you're not actually a lawyer and are just talking from your rectum."<br />You seem to inhabit some gauzy universe of Mayberry where kids just play with guns and it is no big deal.<br /><br />Fast forward to the 21st century where criminals commit crimes using realistic replica guns, and sometimes get shot by the police for that reason.<br /><br />"Check again. The 911 caller said the gun was probably fake and that Rice looked like a kid. That doesn't sound very scared."<br />That was the caller, not necessarily the people who had the gun pointed at them.<br /><br />Now, maybe having a gun pointed at you in a public park is just an every day ok thing for you. It is not ok under the law and anybody who does so is likely to get shot by the police if it looks like they are drawing a real gun, which is what yet another BLM criminal did.StardustyPsychehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493629973262220492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-46132820830333977102019-05-30T08:30:41.779-07:002019-05-30T08:30:41.779-07:00😉😉bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-89927016366392652792019-05-30T07:43:03.704-07:002019-05-30T07:43:03.704-07:00I never intended to generate inferences that every...<b>I never intended to generate inferences that everyone is a monster.</b><br /><br />Anyone else notice how fast he wanted to drop this topic once it was pointed out that he may have revealed his own personal inclinations?<br /><br />I say we keep an eye on the Brow.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-16855326037526914712019-05-30T07:35:36.787-07:002019-05-30T07:35:36.787-07:00"Then I'll drop the discussion out of res..."<i>Then I'll drop the discussion out of respect for you.</i>"<br /><br />Oh, no call to do anything like that. By "disturbing" I meant I felt sorry for anyone (to include you) who thought like that. What a horrible worldview, imagining one's self to be surrounded by would be monsters, if only...<br /><br />"<i>I never intended to generate inferences that everyone is a monster.</i>"<br /><br />I will cheerfully take you at your word that it was not your intent. But read carefully what you posted. The logical inference is nevertheless there that all men are would be monsters. It is inescapable from the reasoning that the only reason a good man did not rob, rape, and/or kill is lack of opportunity.<br /><br /><br />Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-7798712424874663692019-05-30T05:03:47.519-07:002019-05-30T05:03:47.519-07:00StardustyPsyche said...
Instilling fear is a techn...StardustyPsyche said...<br /><i>Instilling fear is a technical assault, a crime, and it is likely to get you shot, obviously. </i><br /><br />Wow, you must be surrounded by criminals constantly, because I have met few people who come across more scared than you. Or, perhaps you're not actually a lawyer and are just talking from your rectum.<br /><br /><i>People got scared because the gun looked real.</i><br /><br />Check again. The 911 caller said the gun was probably fake and that Rice looked like a kid. That doesn't sound very scared.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-30882011676631460112019-05-30T04:55:07.086-07:002019-05-30T04:55:07.086-07:00Starhopper said...
I'm finding this entire lin...Starhopper said...<br /><i>I'm finding this entire line of argument that the only reason Christ did not murder, pillage, and rape is that He did not get a chance to do so rather disturbing. </i><br /><br />Then I'll drop the discussion out of respect for you.<br /><br /><i>No, I do not believe that everyone (to include Jesus) is a monster just waiting for the opportunity to do evil.</i><br /><br />I never intended to generate inferences that everyone is a monster.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-57767267130532438602019-05-30T04:52:35.830-07:002019-05-30T04:52:35.830-07:00Legion of Logic said...
But we can safely assume, ...Legion of Logic said...<br /><i>But we can safely assume, given the lack of any reason to think otherwise.</i><br /><br />Looking at the activities of some of the other prophets in that same time period, there's no particular reason to assume Jesus was peaceful.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-58199522535122006512019-05-29T21:13:52.736-07:002019-05-29T21:13:52.736-07:00@One
SPInstilling fear is a technical assault, a c...@One<br />SPInstilling fear is a technical assault, a crime, and it is likely to get you shot, obviously. If you don't know that you are an idiot.<br /><br />"I've never been afraid of kids with toy guns. It's brave of you to admit you are"<br />The people in the park were afraid, because the "toy" gun was a realistic replica with the orange indicator removed. People got scared because the gun looked real.<br /><br />The cops shot him because the gun looked real.<br /><br />If you let your kids go to the park to point realistic replica guns at people you are a criminal by facilitating the crimes of your children, further, you are quite possibly going to get them shot, just like the cops shot the kid in the park with the realistic gun.StardustyPsychehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493629973262220492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-803383329448564462019-05-29T19:29:05.990-07:002019-05-29T19:29:05.990-07:00Yikes! Legion, you need to change the genre of mov...<i>Yikes! Legion, you need to change the genre of movies you watch.</i><br /><br />On the contrary, my imagination prepares me for monsters like Gandhi.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593005679430527458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-70419941580590160642019-05-29T18:20:50.596-07:002019-05-29T18:20:50.596-07:00Yep, assassinated before he could drink blood out ...<b>Yep, assassinated before he could drink blood out of the skulls of his enemies. </b><br /><br />Yikes! Legion, you need to change the genre of movies you watch. <br /><br /><b>The logical consequence of such a line of thought is that the only reason anyone is not a mass murderer (or worse) is lack of opportunity. </b><br /><br />Or maybe Mr Brow is letting his own thought process slip. Hmmmmm.bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-46277613819944076642019-05-29T15:49:30.985-07:002019-05-29T15:49:30.985-07:00I'm finding this entire line of argument that ...I'm finding this entire line of argument that the only reason Christ did not murder, pillage, and rape is that He did not get a chance to do so rather disturbing. The logical consequence of such a line of thought is that the only reason <i>anyone</i> is not a mass murderer (or worse) is lack of opportunity. This is not only contrary to my philosophy, it is against all empirical evidence. People are often heroically good, in the face of unbelievable obstacles. <br /><br />Look no further than St. Maximilian Kolbe, who <i>volunteered</i> to take the place of a condemned man in a nazi death camp, going to certain death by starvation and thirst. He had every opportunity to avoid such a fate, but <i>chose</i> to suffer and die in the place of a man he didn't even know.<br /><br />Think about Lenny Skutnik, who (although he did not die, fortunately) chose to leap into the freezing waters of the Potomac after a horrific plane crash to rescue 5 drowning passengers from certain death (and went back in for a 6th, who he could not find). He risked his life with every rescue, navigating the wreckage of a sinking aircraft to pull one person after another to the shore.<br /><br />And consider the quiet heroism of people working year after year amongst the poor, the addicted, the illiterate, the just plain suffering. They could have easily chosen a life away from such circumstances, but they <i>chose</i> to work in the inner cities, Appalachia, the backwaters of Mississippi and Alabama, rather than relax in a cabin in the woods, or a suburban 4-bedroom colonial.<br /><br />No, I do not believe that everyone (to include Jesus) is a monster just waiting for the opportunity to do evil.Starhopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18350334327301656588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-18524383265560559632019-05-29T13:45:42.245-07:002019-05-29T13:45:42.245-07:00Yep, assassinated before he could drink blood out ...Yep, assassinated before he could drink blood out of the skulls of his enemies. Humanity narrowly avoided a disaster there.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593005679430527458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-84383858913273796692019-05-29T10:59:23.606-07:002019-05-29T10:59:23.606-07:00I don't know Legion.
There have been many a w...I don't know Legion.<br /><br />There have been many a warlord inspired by Christ.<br /><a href="http://www.publicseminar.org/2018/12/mahatma-gandhi-what-jesus-means-to-me/" rel="nofollow">Like this guy here!</a>bmillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05855545675821692382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-59538308996501214682019-05-29T05:31:32.937-07:002019-05-29T05:31:32.937-07:00We'll never really know, I suppose.
But we ca...<i>We'll never really know, I suppose.</i><br /><br />But we can safely assume, given the lack of any reason to think otherwise.<br /><br /><i>You mean, like throwing stuff all over the Temple </i><br /><br />Definitely the marker of the next Genghis Khan.<br /><br /><br /><i>talking about how people will be needing swords in the future</i><br /><br />Donald Trump is a saint if we cherry pick his words enough.Kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593005679430527458noreply@blogger.com