tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post1100871249727424624..comments2024-03-27T15:34:14.749-07:00Comments on dangerous idea: Some further points on ridicule in response to LoftusVictor Repperthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10962948073162156902noreply@blogger.comBlogger124125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-53479228719393861732013-06-25T16:56:31.740-07:002013-06-25T16:56:31.740-07:00And the latest!
Bu[t] anyways, you're right t...And the latest!<br /><br />Bu[t] anyways, you're right that you don't have any real critics. I certainly am not. I just snark at you when you drop by to say inane things, like theology being something that men do. (And yes: I snark, not shriek. That you think I shriek proves that you are tone deaf to the emotional pitch of writing, which a fortiori proves that you don't comprehend what you read.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030785676230758243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-88882436116215859452013-06-25T16:48:02.847-07:002013-06-25T16:48:02.847-07:00Re-posting this, in case Ilíon deletes it from his...Re-posting this, in case Ilíon deletes it from his blog (or, in other words, follow the drama as it happens!):<br /><br />1. It's strange that Ilíon doesn't find it self-parodying that he's calling <i>me</i> the kindergarten boy, when <i>he's</i> been throwing around the world "girl" like it's a pejorative, much like a kindergarten boy would.<br /><br />2. What I meant is easily extracted from what I said. "<i>I'd allow him </i>[Ilíon] <i>to continue calling me a girl if he could merely <b>survive</b> my exercise routines. Or if he'd like, we can try something a little lighter and put him through my sister's exercise routines.</i>" <i>Surviving my (or my sister's) exercise routines</i> is a sufficient condition, not a threat. If he could actually do so, <i>then</i> he can call me a girl. From this, he can infer that I don't think he can survive my, much less my sister's, routines; he can infer that I consider athleticism to be a virtue; he can infer that my sister is athletic; but he <i>shouldn't</i> infer that what I said constituted a threat.<br /><br />3. If Ilíon won't accept the above, perhaps he'd allow me to explain something of the organization of my subjectivity. My experience is tinged with the knowledge that I've lost contests which I should've won, and I've won contests which I should've lost. I know that exogenous factors easily influence the outcomes of contests. (I know that endogenous factors do too, which is why people talk about having their heads in the game.) Given the nature of this knowledge, I would never think that the results of a contest, e.g., a fight, could be determined beforehand. I would never say that I could beat someone up, because I don't know that I could. <br /><br />4. In order to prove that what I said <i>didn't</i> constitute a threat, I appealed to both objectivity (what the words themselves mean), and subjectivity (how I couldn't have meant what I said as a threat). In order to justify his reading of my words, Ilíon would have to appeal to some occult power he possess, viz., mind-reading. I highly doubt that Ilíon reads minds--he can't even seem to read words correctly. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030785676230758243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-48971887504131841552013-06-24T09:14:37.771-07:002013-06-24T09:14:37.771-07:00^^ I can see where the Ferris wheel might apply --...^^ I can see where the Ferris wheel might apply -- a great deal of motion that takes you nowhere.<br /><br />As for the other, he's definitely a bandwaggon type -- and it's an Umpah-Umpah band.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-8008523255426905952013-06-23T21:07:13.361-07:002013-06-23T21:07:13.361-07:00I don't have a bandwagon. I have a caravan. ...I don't have a bandwagon. I have a caravan. Or a Ferris wheel.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030785676230758243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-42190116358265124052013-06-23T18:22:31.852-07:002013-06-23T18:22:31.852-07:00Nuancey-boy,
It's no more my job to flatter yo...Nuancey-boy,<br />It's no more my job to flatter you than it is to stroke your ego. And you're on your own with Gentle Reader ... hell! even your fellow bandwaggon members went, last week, to a nuance <a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2013/06/is-dialogue-between-theists-and.html?showComment=1371045986964#c1973144323222725589" rel="nofollow">you seem unable fully to navigate</a>.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-86096224377259738102013-06-23T17:54:10.247-07:002013-06-23T17:54:10.247-07:00If you're going to be my publicist, would you ...If you're going to be my publicist, would you mind doing a more flattering piece? I really want to impress Gentle Reader.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030785676230758243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-23431456318406358142013-06-23T15:28:14.809-07:002013-06-23T15:28:14.809-07:00^^ Apparently, the fool does not wish to comprehen...^^ Apparently, the fool does not wish to comprehend that he and Prokop "smear" themselves.<br /><br />I just publicize it.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-79720093228717010782013-06-23T14:32:40.453-07:002013-06-23T14:32:40.453-07:00Ilíon apparently has never heard of the Streisand ...Ilíon apparently has never heard of the Streisand effect. In writing his lengthy smears of Bob and me, he's calling more attention to his blatant sexism, and proving more and more that he <i>is</i> unhinged. (By the way, I am an exemplar of manliness by Ilion's standards: <i>I've actually done theology!</i>)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030785676230758243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-69124605225524277852013-06-23T14:02:36.647-07:002013-06-23T14:02:36.647-07:00In which we learn that I am a 'sexist' of ...<a href="http://iliocentrism.blogspot.com/2013/06/in-which-we-learn-that-i-am-sexist-of.html" rel="nofollow">In which we learn that I am a 'sexist' of that ilk</a>Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-80789733098615055442013-06-23T13:10:21.729-07:002013-06-23T13:10:21.729-07:00^^ *yawn* Another fool outs himself (well, he actu...^^ *yawn* Another fool outs himself (well, he actually did that days ago).Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-43420756479759596022013-06-23T13:07:00.088-07:002013-06-23T13:07:00.088-07:00I've been watching Ilion for a while, and I...I've been watching Ilion for a while, and I'm becoming more and more convinced that he is clinically insane - he has some kind of chemical imbalance or something that's causing him to have a warped, paranoid, egocentric view of reality.ingx24https://www.blogger.com/profile/03336709510575904262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-4912196339814329552013-06-23T12:15:24.998-07:002013-06-23T12:15:24.998-07:00Oh my gosh! My weekend has been absolutely terrib...Oh my gosh! My weekend has been absolutely <i>terrible</i>! This just makes it all better; I haven't had a laugh like that in a while. I posted this to my facebook wall!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030785676230758243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-81297492943683665742013-06-23T11:48:03.533-07:002013-06-23T11:48:03.533-07:00^^ In which we learn that I am a 'misanthropic...^^ <a href="http://iliocentrism.blogspot.com/2013/06/in-which-we-learn-that-i-am.html" rel="nofollow">In which we learn that I am a 'misanthropic loner'</a>Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-29144319024270542112013-06-23T10:15:31.358-07:002013-06-23T10:15:31.358-07:00If anyone is a fan of Calvin and Hobbes, here'...If anyone is a fan of Calvin and Hobbes, here's a strip that adequately captures Ilíon's idea of what it's like to be a girl, and the consequences that would follow should he actually try to confirm his ideas:<br /><br />http://imgur.com/j2SvKAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030785676230758243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-51913517886411579162013-06-23T08:55:25.271-07:002013-06-23T08:55:25.271-07:001. I honestly believe everything I've said abo...1. I honestly believe everything I've said about you, because you honestly manifest irrationality, insularity, incompetence, unsubtlety, … etc. So the problem isn't that I'm being dishonest, the problem is that you insulate yourself from the truth about you.<br /><br />2. Vis-à-vis my attitude, trust me: it's peachy. I'm likable, funny, kind … you know, <i>not</i> a misanthropic loner.<br /><br />3. I have the mind-set of a twenty-nine year old, physically active, working, married male. My wife wouldn't have married me if I had the mind-set of a junior high girl, nor would my boss employ me, nor would I have such a diverse, sophisticated group of friends. Trust me Ilíon: I've gotten what I deserve because I've worked for it.<br /><br />4. I don't <i>need</i> you to be wrong. I just like it when you are because I can amuse myself at your expense.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030785676230758243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-37529065013119497172013-06-23T07:33:13.720-07:002013-06-23T07:33:13.720-07:00poor little hurt ingenue: "Please point out t...<b>poor little hurt ingenue:</b> "<i>Please point out to me which statements that I've made about you are provably false, and I'll retract them. Until you do that, you can't say that I've lied about you without being a liar yourself.</i>"<br /><br />It would be <i>easier</i> for this poor little hurt <i>ingenue</i> to point to a single thing he has said about me that isn't dishonest in some way. To make even that easier, here are two Googe searches: <a href="https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Dan+Gillson%22+Il%C3%ADon+site:http%3A%2F%2Fdangerousidea.blogspot.com%2F&oq=%22Dan+Gillson%22+Il%C3%ADon+site:http%3A%2F%2Fdangerousidea.blogspot.com%2F&gs_l=hp.12...0.0.4.620963.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c..17.psy-ab.KXggyxTRH2o&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48293060,d.aWc&fp=9f6d478f005e201a&biw=1265&bih=931" rel="nofollow">search 1</a> and <a href="https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=%22Dan+Gillson%22+Ilion+site:http%3A%2F%2Fdangerousidea.blogspot.com%2F&oq=%22Dan+Gillson%22+Ilion+site:http%3A%2F%2Fdangerousidea.blogspot.com%2F&gs_l=hp.12...0.0.1.1309943.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c..17.psy-ab.OC-ZYzACeNs&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48293060,d.aWc&fp=9f6d478f005e201a&biw=1265&bih=931" rel="nofollow">search 2</a> The results have a great deal of crossover, but they're not identical (nor are they all-inclusive -- this very thread isn't in either list). To make it even easier, he could just limit his search to two recent threads: this very one and <a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2013/06/is-dialogue-between-theists-and.html" rel="nofollow">the prior one</a><br /><br /><i>Retracting</i> some specific falsehood this p(r)issy little girl has posted about me will never solve the problem, for the problem is his <i>attitude</i>. I mean, even aside from having the mind-set of a junior-highschool girl; that's a life-sized problem. But, with respect to me, his problem is that be *needs* me to be wrong (about everything), and he *needs* me to be a wicked, evil monster -- but, of course he does, he's a girl -- and until he fixes that, he's going to keep lying about me.<br /><br />Goodness! Danni is like <i>Prokip</i> in his *need* to see me wrong (and wicked evil) -- though, apparently, he's not so far gone as to seemingly keep a record on his PC of every "slam" he's made of me (<a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2013/06/some-further-points-on-ridicule-in.html?showComment=1371844800960#c4751233690474874528" rel="nofollow">while apparently being not-quite-bright enough to also record the URLs</a>) -- I mean, <a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2013/06/some-further-points-on-ridicule-in.html?showComment=1371643549325#c9111966047678293888" rel="nofollow">really!</a> this guy just can't keep his leftist-inspired spite bottled up: it *has* to come outIlíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-75291817495001488532013-06-21T21:25:21.358-07:002013-06-21T21:25:21.358-07:00Crude,
Having disagreements is no cause to be dis...Crude,<br /><br />Having disagreements is no cause to be disagreeable. I find you to be fair-minded, enjoyable person with whom I can disagree. (I think that you're too hard on im-skeptical; skep may be a philosophical novice, which he readily admits, but he's a good natured person looking for an honest discussion. Otherwise, I don't find you to be rammy at all.) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030785676230758243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-64862697661096889132013-06-21T20:51:14.153-07:002013-06-21T20:51:14.153-07:00"It's what Ayn Rand vainly imagined she h..."It's what Ayn Rand vainly imagined she had disposed of with "Existence exists.""<br /><br />The question was for Martin (since he asserted it), and he hasn't answered. <br /><br />I haven't read Ayn Rand. But don't imagine that I am automatically convinced by whatever another atheist says. (I have to keep repeating this to theists over and over.) She was a right-wing lunatic just like you. That is, until she decided to go on social security and medicare. Then she was the world's biggest hypocrite. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-12542661138015008552013-06-21T20:38:44.320-07:002013-06-21T20:38:44.320-07:00Dan,
I happily admit that I have nothing to do w...Dan,<br /><br /><i> I happily admit that I have nothing to do with the online community of skeptics. </i><br /><br />Well, this is one major reason why the fact that you're an atheist/agnostic has never once to my knowledge led to any difficulty or even turbulence in our conversations, despite some serious disagreements. (I've probably come off as rammy at times, unintentionally, but I actively try to minimize it with yourself a few others.)Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-20867907900766901632013-06-21T20:20:48.396-07:002013-06-21T20:20:48.396-07:00Absolutely, Linton! If you go back to the link tha...Absolutely, Linton! If you go back to the link that Crude provided, you'd see that I was in no way implicating you in the spread of any "filth", and if I inadvertently gave that impression, I humbly apologize. I perhaps with not the best literary style was riffing off of a phrase than used to be popular amongst atheist posters, referring to Christian beliefs as "Bronze Age" (which they couldn't be in any circumstances, since the Bronze Age in the Middle East was from approx 3600 BC to 1200 BC, or long, long before Christianity, or even (most of) Judaism.<br /><br /><b>But for the record, Mr. Linton Wilson ("Papalinton") was in no way or in the slightest degree guilty of the sort of comments I was condemning. And I repent in dust and ashes to have ever written anything that could be taken to mean that he was.</b>B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-12740441376809957012013-06-21T20:19:15.802-07:002013-06-21T20:19:15.802-07:00PapaL,
I certainly didn't take Bob's comm...<b>PapaL</b>,<br /><br /><i>I</i> certainly didn't take Bob's comment to indict you of being a sexist pig. If it makes you feel any better, I don't think anyone who follows these threads would think that of you, even if Bob did portend to lump you in with the lot of misogynistic troglodytes; your morals are far too sensible. (Also, in addressing this issue yourself, you did a wonderful job at clearing up the matter.) <br /><br /><b>Bob</b>,<br /><br />Given the depth of stupidity apparent on that thread (thanks, Crude!), I'd say your response is still far too restrained. You succeed in being a gentleman where I could not. Good on you.<br /><br /><b>Crude</b><br /><br />It's absolutely amazing how "skeptics" are eating each other over the "Elevatorgate scandal." Just witness all the unjustified abuse that Ophelia Benson--a person whose opinions I do not respect, by the way--receives on a weekly basis. It's embarrassing. I happily admit that I have nothing to do with the online community of skeptics. <br /><br /><b>Ilíon</b><br /><br />Please point out to me which statements that I've made about you are <i>provably</i> false, and I'll retract them. Until you do that, you can't say that I've lied about you without being a liar yourself.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12030785676230758243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-1410192471489670992013-06-21T18:32:33.436-07:002013-06-21T18:32:33.436-07:00""Papalinton and his fellow-travelers, w...<i>""Papalinton and his fellow-travelers, who are forever going on about religion's so-called 'Bronze Age thinking' were aiming at the wrong target. They should have set their sights on the Stone Age thinking of the likes of Ilion, 'Gimli', et.al." <br />What nonsense! Worse, what slop, what filth! You people should crawl back under your rocks."</i><br /><br />Bob your response to Dan seems to implicate me as a purveyor of the filth you say made you sick. In the thread crude links to, my one comment in the thread noted:<br /><br /><i>"Bob<br />I too cannot abide the form of attack that you have been subjected to. I am with you 100% even to the level of anger you are feeling. It is justified in this case, as it is measured and proportional and defensive in character. <br /><br />Those that impugn the personal character of others must be brought to brook at each and every occasion to justify their egregious and poisonous intent.<br />August 26, 2011 3:22 PM "</i><br /><br />I would appreciate if you could rightfully clear this matter.Papalintonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03818630173726146048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-89160190700099190202013-06-21T17:56:25.128-07:002013-06-21T17:56:25.128-07:00"Ilíon's penchant for calling people &quo..."<i>Ilíon's penchant for calling people "girl" or "girlish" betrays his single, sexless life. Perhaps if he didn't display his male chauvinism so readily he'd find a suitably insular, irrational mate.</i>"<br /><br />That's *exactly* the sort of thing a girl would say! <br /><br />I have called certain of the pathetic persons like to freak-out and/or lie about me 'girl' because they have the psyche of a junior-high girl.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-67709827047994624032013-06-21T17:50:11.228-07:002013-06-21T17:50:11.228-07:00"Tell me, exactly what is "existence its..."<i>Tell me, exactly what is "existence itself?"</i>"<br /><br />It's what Ayn Rand vainly imagined she had disposed of with "Existence exists."Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10584495.post-15909659279398878802013-06-21T17:44:09.294-07:002013-06-21T17:44:09.294-07:00"I just remember that Ilion and company had c..."<i>I just remember that Ilion and company had crossed the line in their disparagement of women ...</i>"<br /><br />Oh, you poor little hypocritical pussy.<br /><br />To any rational persons out there -- if stating any truth about women is "disparagement" of them, then the problem is in women, not in the man (or woman) who states the truth about them.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.com